Poetry Telephone Complete!
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Hello fellow poetry lovers. Here is the completed version of our first game of poetry telephone at the pigpen. For details on what that means, go here:

http://www.pigpenpoetry.com/showthread.php?tid=13329

I would like to thanks all of the participants for their time, their effort and most of all for their bravado and sense of adventure. I think the game went very well and I hope everyone gets a chance to comment on at least a couple of the poems. I have some favorites myself and I think at least a few deserve a chance to be workshopped into polished poems that will be read again and again. A special thanks goes out to our friends over at alt.arts.poetry.comments for participating in this first ever cross-forum version of the classic game that really made its mark over there. Without further chatter, here is the line:

Poetry Telephone

Starter Poem:

Proof that once she was a mermaid


She denies it with a laugh -
shakes her head and disagrees -
but dips a taste of sourwood honey
and doesn't fear the bees.

Her warm green eyes swim
with memories of the seas
and when a siren calls -
some ambulance from hidden streets
of dreary londontown - she doesn't harbor
the secret fear that it comes for her
just shakes her head in sympathy for me.

She loves the taste of animals that hoof
the earth and graze the fields so openly -
who else won't pretend to love
the taste of fish or salad greens?

But I won't sow the earth with seeds of salt
or hide my eyes and ears to free my dreams.
No, bind me to the mast and let me hear her song
as others cry with emptiness -
the king's men starving at a feast.

First Rewrite

Truth of a Chambermaid

She relies upon her good humor-
tames her hair to some degree
whips up a bun with carved comb,
doesn't wear her skirt above her knee.

Her warm brown eyes dim
with memories of the siege.
Somnambulant through vacant halls,
she startles as her cellphone rings,
still wary of calls to leave her hometown
she harbors fears they'll come for her.
She shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.

She moves to clear debris of guests, aloof
in berths they laze, at long buffets they graze.
She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears.

Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast-
a queen, head high, who faced the beast.

-Ellajam

Second Rewrite

Bastard

His shallow breathing steadies her--
shut eyes and wordless dreams;
she lies all night imagining
his future as a king.

She wraps up tight and holds him close,
sings what mother once sung
before the masks and blasts released
mom’s breath from collapsed lungs.

Each morn she hands him over
to a foreign loveless breast ,
trudges to the chateau’s chambers
invisible to guests.

A life lived in repetition
with one hope to sustain--
her son’s father a royal,
with no heirs yet to his name.

She scrubs and mutely smiles,
but when far from hidden spies
brown eyes leak salty water
fearing promises were lies.

Will they take her back to where
her mind buried in the past--
a dark hall of hopeless mortals
starving in their iron casts?

She lifts her chin up slowly
as she rises from the ground--
a king deserves a mother
who’s still regal when cast down.

-Jusctcloudy

Third Rewrite

Lullaby


I watch your every breath -
protective mothering.
I’d fight for you with death
your future as a king.

Protective mothering
with lullabies from home.
Your future as a king,
my past as bride of Rome.

With lullabies from home
I leave you every day.
My past, as bride of Rome,
ignored, I toil and slave.

I leave you every day,
alone I earn our keep.
Ignored, I toil and slave.
What’s sown is what we reap.

Alone, I earn our keep,
in silence swift tears run.
What’s sown is what you reap,
you’re still his only son.

In silence swift tears run,
my family is lost.
You’re still his only son -
I wonder at the cost.

My family is lost,
I’d fight for you with death.
I wonder at the cost.
I watch your every breath.

-Justmercedes

Fourth Rewrite

Songs for Eros

She drew a single breath then closed her eyes.
She hummed the lullaby throughout the night.
Her husband didn't stir, nor would he rise
until the morning. She would then surmise
his passing. Wonder if he dreamed her frights.
She drew a single breath then closed her eyes.
She sang erotic verses to surprise
him into sight, stood nude by fire light.
Her husband didn't stir, nor would he rise.
She hummed the lullaby and fantasized
him broad awake, eyes wide. To view the sight
she drew a single breath then closed her eyes.
She snuggled close and cried her lullabies.
She mourned him gone and begged that they unite.
Her husband didn't stir, nor would he rise.
She did her sexy dance, erotic cries.
She hummed the lullaby throughout the night.
She drew a single breath then closed her eyes.
her husband didn't stir, nor would he rise.

-Trueenigma

Fifth Rewrite


Salome and Jochanaan

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Herodes: Was ist es, das du haben möchtest, Salome?
Salome: Den Kopf des Jochanaan.
-- Richard Strauss

Salome singeth Jochanaan
erotic verses all night long:
Jochanaan maketh no reply.

Salome danceth Jochanaan
her previous dance of seven veils:
he marketh neither veils nor her.

Jochanaan preacheth in his head
that Christ is come and all redeemed:
Salome heareth not his speech.

Salome biteth freezing lips
that neither kiss nor smile nor bleed:
Jochanaan maketh no reply.

Salome danceth Jochanaan
again her dance, with fifty veils:
he marketh neither veils nor her.

When Christ returneth to redeem,
we simple folk shall heed his call:
Salome heareth not his speech;
Jochanaan maketh no reply.

-Peter J. Ross

Sixth rewrite:

Salami to no a veil
The Opera of Headless John

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Herod fat-pig asks his slut sausage Salami
Salami, :What will you do with your pet John?”
--dick stress

Salami sings off key to John
verses of Abba all night long
John throws up, but is unmoved.

Salami dance the dance of the seven meats
John ignores her disgusting dance especially
when she pulls a hogi from between her thighs
John eats not!

John preaches in his head,
that Christ has come though John as not
he is unsure about Salami!

Salami acts as though John’s mouth is a large pickle,
Nibbling, sucking (especially sucking, and other
oral gymnastics) to no avail as the pickle stays frozen.

Salami in desperation dances her dance of fifty meats,
cold cuts flying everywhere, shooting anchovies
from her nether regions, yet John holds fast to the “armour” of God.

When Christ returns to redeem his order of pastrami on rye,
We simpletons will drink mead with all,
Salami heareth not his call as this is not Salami on rye,
John makes no reply as Herod has chopped off his head.

Erthona (Dale Tisdale)

Seventh Rewrite:

El coleccionista


My friend John says he wants me
to be his wingwoman; he says he's lost
his head to Sálome and needs my help;
John's lost his head to Sálome, whose voice
is cinnamon rich and warm; he's lost his heart
to Sálome, the Amazon who serves the drinks
at Tony's bar, the Hélicon, where grey-draped
caryatids raise potted palms aloft while
dapper little Tony dips and flits between
lace-covered darkwood tables. Tony flicks
a practised chamois cloth at dust, pausing
to converse with regulars or recommend
his favourite from a fragrant range of teas
and gins. Along the bar, on gleaming trays,
a thousand almond leaves are honey glazed;
they cloy with stickiness. John wants me
to talk to Tony, to distract and keep him
sweet, to muse on silverware and curiosities,
admire the bric-a-brac, the tumbling monkey
in the china cabinet and the desiccated
Persian cat with blue stone eyes. John's
lost his head to Sálome, he thinks my chattering
can deflect Tony's proprietorial look that gathers
Salomé with oddities, dead pets and flightless
concrete angels. John's lost his head to Sálome
who pours the drinks at Tony's bar. Her voice
is warm as cinnamon, her eyes dark as molasses.
We order G&Ts. I talk to Tony, but I watch
as Sálome lifts the gin bottle. Her hands
are square and competent, just like a man's.

Gwyneth Box

Eigth Rewrite:

The Collectors Balls

John wants me on his six;
his hormones are ape shit and he needs
female back up. He lost his head
to shalom the Jewish Amazon who tends
bar for Antoine at the Tuba and Trumpet.
A Kosha all you can drink shit hole for ex pilots
and wingmen who no longer fly.
dimpled brass table tops rest like saucers
on the heads and arms of naked dwarves.
Antoine likes to flick the tight titted waitresses
with his pink handkerchief as he minces
between tables on Fred Astair feet imploring,
begging his public, drink, drink, drink!
Johnny asks me to jiggle my boobs
and shake the derrière at Tony as a distraction;
to talk about dancing, rain and Gene Kelly.
John's lost his wallet to Shalom who sets up drinks
along Tony's bar. Her lips glisten like ripe water melon,
her breath sweet as marshmallow sundae;
she works the drunks. I show Tony my knees, but watch
as Shalom bends over a case of cheap merlot
the bulge hanging to the left, not as concealed as she thinks.

billy

Ninth rewrite:

Rises and falls

Salty Sean's got up to his last trick;
Post a beer-bolstered whiskey-hindered
pick up attempt, he panicked and fled
out the back door, free-wheeling round Fisherman's bend.
Forget last week's slap down this one trumped it;
He spied a thin-lipped big-boned strumpet with eyelids violet
straw-brittle hair patchily dyed
and brassy dimpled cheeks plopped atop gloopy
forearms crossed on an oil stained table top;
but even from this manatee the shoreline excesses
weather-beaten into his features would gather only winces.
Spilling between tables on unaware feet roaring
"One for this lady. A drink! A drink! A drink!"
and wine-blind to the scattering of stools
his deck practiced sway gave way to the earth's attraction.
Spread eagled in pain staring up at the telly
anchored to the timber by the cackling and clinks
of the whole bar and her teeth glistening like ripe lemons
chattering in a bitter refrain.
He escaped by crawling crabbily to the toilet hatch,
out the back door, free-wheeled Fisherman's bend and with no intent to slow
hung a sharp left, rattled the wharf's slatted chinks
and flowed into the ice cold, oil-slicked, laughter less drink.

tomoffing

Tenth Rewrite:

Fast Fred's final flub is as follows:


After a booze and blow binge and a botched booty call,
he turned and trod with terrible trepidation
down the deck door, determined to drive to Clamdigger’s Cove.

Close the curtains on all collective comeuppance- Saturday’s surpassed all..

Some superbly stacked split-tail made him stiff;
her olive ocular orbs ogled him oddly
as her amazingly arced ass made him antsy to ask
if the wanton woman wanted a wad to wiggle his wood.

But his mega-moistened mouth managed a measly, “May, I, may I..”
before he violently vomited very vast volumes of vittles
on the harpy’s harlequin halter top as she hollered in horror, “Help!”
"..buy you a bottle of bourbon?" he babbled,
grappling with gravity while graphically grabbing George and Gracie.
She kneed his nads, and his noggin nosed her nethers. “I never!” she screamed,
and suddenly stormed, seething, from Sammy’s South Street Saloon.

Fred, frantic and fried, floundered in futility on the foul floor.
Larry, Lester, and the lousy lot laughed long and loudly,
joking and jawing and jabbing and jibing. Fred jockeyed
to a perpendicular position and plodded pathetically past his putrid puddle,
crying, “I’ll crash my crappy Chevy Cobalt into Clamdigger’s Cove, chumps!”

He recklessly rambled into Ralph Ruggles, who reeled, then righted
as Fred fled in his car of red, and is assumed dead.

fogglethorpe (Hugh)

Rewrite eleven :

Fast food Freddie’s final feast

Bilious from binging, nose blotchy from booze,
he rolled to the mirror with everything to lose,
more down his neck, swallowed hamburgers and coke
curtains for clothes around this humongous bloke.

The stretch mark folds of skin had a whiff,
that Olive his wife would obligingly lift,
an amazing arse that he would ask to be wiped
that the poor woman washed and jiggle each night.

This mega mouthed monster swallowed many meals,
before the vomiting of vittles’ lost its appeal,
he would scoop the sick from his Harley tattoo
and drink it down with a bottle of bubbly or two.
Grey graveness and the gravity of gasping for air,
never needing to kneel or get out of the chair,
stuck seated and swollen like a barrage balloon,
Freddie was sure that death would come soon.

Always ready for a fowl or fried feast,
he pestered and parried the question of grease,
joking about Jabba the Hutt, his jaw needed to be wired shut,
prone to pissing himself when he parped, positions that plodded the beat of his heart,
crying each night this chunky cheeked chappy knew losing lumps could make him happy.

Miraculously little Ralphy was raised and one night he rested to Freddie’s right
but Freddie’s folds flopped onto his head, unable to breathe they found Ralphy dead.

Keith

*bold typeface of titles was an editorial decision added by myself to make them stand out.
Tongue the web between my toes.
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for me, it wasn't as easy as i thought it would be.
it's good to see some of the poets having fun. nice job in setting it up milo.

perhaps we could do one a month or one every couple of month.

the question is....where do we give feedback? should the respective poets or even you, post them one or two at a time in one of the feedback forums?

again...nice job everyone and thanks to the poets from the other site in question.
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(03-04-2014, 11:44 AM)billy Wrote:  for me, it wasn't as easy as i thought it would be.
it's good to see some of the poets having fun. nice job in setting it up milo.

perhaps we could do one a month or one every couple of month.

the question is....where do we give feedback? should the respective poets or even you, post them one or two at a time in one of the feedback forums?

again...nice job everyone and thanks to the poets from the other site in question.

I was thinking about the feedback thing and i think the best way to do it might be to reply to the thread and just do the until you get to the one you want to comment on.

Well, people will figure it out, i will just play along . . .

I will say, reading the whole thing beginning to end is some task!! It is interesting to see the transformation though. The first and last share almost nothing in common.
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they all use words :d

i'll give some feedback later or tomorrow,
i take it i can't give feedback to myself Big Grin
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How we went from "She denies it with a laugh - " to "Bilious from binging, nose blotchy from booze," is beyond me...

High praise to Gwyneth and the two justs (cloudy and mercedes that is) for their efforts. Definitely my favorites on the first couple of reads.

Best line has to go to hugh though for this triumphant tongue twister;

"before he violently vomited very vast volumes of vittles
on the harpy’s harlequin halter top as she hollered in horror"
Hysterical
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#6
Just read through all of these - fantastic well done all who took part.
Loved that mercedes managed to make a pantoum out of the madness and that True followed with a vill.
Where to start on the feedback??
I was a bit confused about what the criteria was for the next poem. Were they meant to be a re-write of the proceeding poem, in which case some of them were great reads, but I'd say they were new writes inspired by the previous poem rather than re-writes.
Not that it matters, this was obviously good fun to take part in and the results are highly amusing.
I particularly liked how the story focused and kept a thread (with some great twists) from Dale's offering onwards.
(and Billy it might be because I've not be paying attention and I've miss your offerings...but it is good to see your work again - I love your poems. More poem writing, less nose wiping please).
Will offer some comments on individual poems soon And yes to the idea of doing this again or regularly.
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I read a few of these last night and completed them this morning. Nice work folks! Thumbsup What an example of divergent evolution; transmutation is probably the better term. The poems in the collection are all unique. This is a fascinating array of work, but not as much like 'whisper down the lane' as anticipated, which is a good thing!
My new watercolor: 'Nightmare After Christmas'/Chris
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The commenting portion of this is going to be clumsy no matter what but I am determined to make the best of it.

I should note that AAPC participants will be commenting in AAPC here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgro...c-OOLinhww

Peter already started by commenting on Trueenigma's poem. Worth reading.
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(03-04-2014, 11:00 PM)fogglethorpe Wrote:  
(03-04-2014, 01:50 PM)tomoffing Wrote:  Best line has to go to geoff though for this triumphant tongue twister;

"before he violently vomited very vast volumes of vittles
on the harpy’s harlequin halter top as she hollered in horror"
Hysterical

Those lines were mine, actually.

I enjoyed reading each of these. Lots of fun.

My bad Hugh. Retraction above. Thumbsup
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Hi Gwyneth Box, and welcome to the site, big thanks for taking part in milo's thread. I chose your poem to give feedback to because it was the one i followed. sorry for the lateness (getting ready for a trip to the uk)

first the title, it works pretty well, it has some ambiguity in that i wondered was salome the collector of men with brocken hearts or was john a collector of women who broke hearts (women being a loosley related word to penis and big hands)
the setting reminds of the bar in the song coco cabana. (it also has a Tony in it)
i like how you open the bar up to us some of the enjambment works for me a small amount doesn't work as well as it should. i think the way you utilise repetition adds to the poem in reinforcing the characters you produce.
all in all, an enjoyable read.

Quote:El coleccionista

My friend John says he wants me i liked the enjambment, (so musch so i kept it in mine)
to be his wingwoman; he says he's lost and the reality of not being loved
his head to Sálome and needs my help; didn't think the en-jamb worked as well here
John's lost his head to Sálome, whose voice normally repetition like this doesn't work well enough to use, here it does succeed, it shows us that apart from being an idiot in love, he's an idiot who knows he's screwed before he starts
is cinnamon rich and warm; he's lost his heart
to Sálome, the Amazon who serves the drinks this is my favourite line though i'm not sure why? juxtaposing a name like salome with amazon i guess
at Tony's bar, the Hélicon, where grey-draped this line made me work a bit harder than the others. it may have been [helicon] or the enjambment, or both, i'm not sure.
caryatids raise potted palms aloft while
dapper little Tony dips and flits between
lace-covered darkwood tables. Tony flicks flicks and flits is almost perfect
a practised chamois cloth at dust, pausing again, the en-jamb that leads to this line is excellent
to converse with regulars or recommend
his favourite from a fragrant range of teas
and gins. Along the bar, on gleaming trays,
a thousand almond leaves are honey glazed;
they cloy with stickiness. John wants me
to talk to Tony, to distract and keep him
sweet, to muse on silverware and curiosities,
admire the bric-a-brac, the tumbling monkey
in the china cabinet and the desiccated
Persian cat with blue stone eyes. John's
lost his head to Sálome, he thinks my chattering
can deflect Tony's proprietorial look that gathers
Salomé with oddities, dead pets and flightless
concrete angels. John's lost his head to Sálome
who pours the drinks at Tony's bar. Her voice
is warm as cinnamon, her eyes dark as molasses.
We order G&Ts. I talk to Tony, but I watch
as Sálome lifts the gin bottle. Her hands
are square and competent, just like a man's.
from my last comment to here there is some fine narrative that wraps the reader in the actual bar. the twist wasn't expected and does finish the poem off with a bang
Gwyneth Box

i wonder if it would be allowable for milo to do a very last poem following on from the last one posted?
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I couldn’t decide where to start- all of the poems have merit and are worthy…so as it was lent I thought I would pick something up instead of giving something up. Starting at the beginning I will try and do a bit more feedback,…perhaps reach the dizzy heights of one a day.
Hi Ella, first off I wanted to say well done for the subtly of the changes that you made from the original, (particularly in the first stanza) to make such a different story. I think of all of the poems, this one followed the example that we were given the most closely. Kudos.
Overall I loved the story you told. Classic Mills and Boon stuff. You hooked me in from the first line and I want to know how it works out for her long term. (Will the child turn out to be a hero or become a thug and rapist himself…is he really a royal wild oat – is there a twist in this tale). This poem has plenty of leg room and I like that. You kept the story crisp with just enough images and details to make it feel intimate.




(03-04-2014, 10:53 AM)milo Wrote:  Truth of a Chambermaid loved the title shift you made. Very clever.

She relies upon her good humor- On the first read the first line lacked any real impact but it worked well enough on the second read. I can see where you have used the word humor as the word association with the original poem, but if this was now being treated as a stand alone poem I think you could find a stronger line. Perhaps something along the lines of: She lives on her nerves and humor.
tames her hair to some degree Love this line. This was where her character starts to hold me. Nice image
whips up a bun with carved comb, …and again nice double image and detailing.
doesn't wear her skirt above her knee. ...and again consistency to the story you have really controlled the story in this one well I thought.

[color=#000000]Her warm brown eyes dim
could possibly drop the warm or the brown (they say the same thing to me)
with memories of the siege. This left me wanting more details – but mostly in a good way. No totally convinced about the word siege for the story but it has a good stand alone sonic and a lovely sound link into the next line, but not sold out on the word memories. Siege has medieval overtone of violence that I like in connection with the rape image I got. Memories does not fit the same image and feels in conflict with the word siege...hope this rambling makes some sort of sense.
Somnambulant through vacant halls, love this line, it has a distant, dislocated association that fits the story so well
she startles as her cellphone rings, , ...and back to now well played. Cellphone is a mouthful and a hard modern, now sound..i am assuming this is what you wanted after the retro feel of the previous lines. either way I like it.
still wary of calls to leave her hometown
she harbors fears they'll come for her.
She shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.
I think I get the story in these last three lines but they are not quite there . Think you could smooth out the sonics and the meaning a bit more. Is she wary of calls from her home town because she has run away...or is she in hiding within her home town.

She moves to clear debris of guests, aloof
in berths they laze, at long buffets they graze.
She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears.
Nice detailing through this stanza. Not sure the story line on the missing home details is strong enough – perhaps just a tweak , if anything at all. It is very close and I really like it.

Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast-
did not get how a lullaby can imprint on a breast, but I still like it
a queen, head high, who faced the beast. And the end is a great Mill’s n Boon moment of classic heroine rising above it all despite the odds. Great read.

-Ellajam

Hi Ell, my reply is a mess of colour changes - go in a mix up with the formatting and then couldn't undo the resulting balls up without just starting again. Sorry about that -out of time now gtg. think it is still readable..
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Of course it went from pretty things like mermaids and castles to booze and sex. That was inevitable. ;p

This was fun, I'm all for doing it again. As mentioned above they weren't so much rewrites as writes-inspired-by, but I'm not sure that's a problem. Anyway kudos to all of us. =]

-justcloudy

Wait a second... I just went to the other (uglier-than-ours, hehe) forum. Milo is leading a double life there, masquerading as someone name Horatio! My world just became so much more confused.....
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The howling beast is back.
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(03-06-2014, 07:24 PM)cidermaid Wrote:  I couldn’t decide where to start- all of the poems have merit and are worthy…so as it was lent I thought I would pick something up instead of giving something up. Starting at the beginning I will try and do a bit more feedback,…perhaps reach the dizzy heights of one a day.
Hi Ella, first off I wanted to say well done for the subtly of the changes that you made from the original, (particularly in the first stanza) to make such a different story. I think of all of the poems, this one followed the example that we were given the most closely. Kudos.
Overall I loved the story you told. Classic Mills and Boon stuff. You hooked me in from the first line and I want to know how it works out for her long term. (Will the child turn out to be a hero or become a thug and rapist himself…is he really a royal wild oat – is there a twist in this tale). This poem has plenty of leg room and I like that. You kept the story crisp with just enough images and details to make it feel intimate.




(03-04-2014, 10:53 AM)ellajam Wrote:  Truth of a Chambermaid loved the title shift you made. Very clever.

She relies upon her good humor- On the first read the first line lacked any real impact but it worked well enough on the second read. I can see where you have used the word humor as the word association with the original poem, but if this was now being treated as a stand alone poem I think you could find a stronger line. Perhaps something along the lines of: She lives on her nerves and humor. Agreed
tames her hair to some degree Love this line. This was where her character starts to hold me. Nice image
whips up a bun with carved comb, …and again nice double image and detailing.
doesn't wear her skirt above her knee. ...and again consistency to the story you have really controlled the story in this one well I thought.

Her warm brown eyes dim could possibly drop the warm or the brown (they say the same thing to me)
with memories of the siege. This left me wanting more details – but mostly in a good way. No totally convinced about the word siege for the story but it has a good stand alone sonic and a lovely sound link into the next line, but not sold out on the word memories. Siege has medieval overtone of violence that I like in connection with the rape image I got. Memories does not fit the same image and feels in conflict with the word siege...hope this rambling makes some sort of sense. I stuck on siege because of "seas" in the previous poem, actually looked it up to see it could squeak through, maybe not. Smile
Somnambulant through vacant halls, love this line, it has a distant, dislocated association that fits the story so well
she startles as her cellphone rings, ...and back to now well played. Cellphone is a mouthful and a hard modern, now sound..i am assuming this is what you wanted after the retro feel of the previous lines. either way I like it.
still wary of calls to leave her hometown
she harbors fears they'll come for her.
She shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.I think I get the story in these last three lines but they are not quite there . Think you could smooth out the sonics and the meaning a bit more. Is she wary of calls from her home town because she has run away...or is she in hiding within her home town. You are confused here because I am too. Smile I got caught on Londontown from the poem before. I really don't have a clear idea about what is going on here myself. I'll try to figure it out.

She moves to clear debris of guests, aloof
in berths they laze, at long buffets they graze.
She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears. Nice detailing through this stanza. Not sure the story line on the missing home details is strong enough – perhaps just a tweak , if anything at all. It is very close and I really like it.

Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast- did not get how a lullaby can imprint on a breast, but I still like it A lullaby can imprint upon a heart, I think I just liked breast and beast.
a queen, head high, who faced the beast. And the end is a great Mill’s n Boon moment of classic heroine rising above it all despite the odds. Great read.

-Ellajam

Hi Ell, my reply is a mess of colour changes - go in a mix up with the formatting and then couldn't undo the resulting balls up without just starting again. Sorry about that -out of time now gtg. think it is still readable..

Formatting fixed.Smile

AJ, I can't thank you enough for the time and thought you put into this. I was so relieved just to come up with something acceptable for this challenge. I did not know if it could stand alone, and would have let it fade away quietly without your generous encouragement. I will rethink this with your comments in mind and see what I can do.

Again, your efforts are greatly appreciated.
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(03-06-2014, 08:24 PM)justcloudy Wrote:  
Wait a second... I just went to the other (uglier-than-ours, hehe) forum. Milo is leading a double life there, masquerading as someone name Horatio! My world just became so much more confused.....

Yes, I noticed the same thing. Don't worry, I am certain to get to the bottom of it . . .

So, I thought it might be nice to comment on ella's poem. First, I was intrigued by her method of rewrite, she created an interesting parallelism out of it - almost finding another completely different poem within the first but sharing many of the sonics, devices, etc. If ella had just posted this poem out of nowhere, i would have liked it. I think it needs some polish, but I also think it deserves some polish.

(03-04-2014, 10:53 AM)milo Wrote:  Truth of a Chambermaid

She relies upon her good humor-
tames her hair to some degree
whips up a bun with carved comb,
doesn't wear her skirt above her knee.
This was an interesting start - I liked the juxtaposition of her personality with her hair. I am ambivalent about skipping the one article while including others. Maybe "doesn't" could be replaced with "and won't". Also, "above the knee" to avoid the double "her's"

Quote:Her warm brown eyes dim
with memories of the siege.
Somnambulant through vacant halls,
she startles as her cellphone rings,
still wary of calls to leave her hometown
she harbors fears they'll come for her.
She shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.
In here it gets a littl pronoun happy. It gets a little clumsy starting with "still wary" which continues through the rest of the stanza. I think siege works in it's generality.
Quote:She moves to clear debris of guests, aloof
in berths they laze, at long buffets they graze.
"long" feels padded and the inversion of "they graze" doesn't help
Quote:She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears.
"scraps" is an odd choice. "seasoned with her mother's tears" is a little twee and I don't think you pull it off here.

Quote:Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
I don't think you need both safe and free to dream.

Quote:not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast-
a queen, head high, who faced the beast.

-Ellajam

once again, the missing article is too disruptive. There is some confusion with the pronoun switch at the end.

Anyway, I think it has promise, thanks for participating
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(03-07-2014, 07:24 AM)milo Wrote:  
(03-06-2014, 08:24 PM)justcloudy Wrote:  
Wait a second... I just went to the other (uglier-than-ours, hehe) forum. Milo is leading a double life there, masquerading as someone name Horatio! My world just became so much more confused.....

Yes, I noticed the same thing. Don't worry, I am certain to get to the bottom of it . . .

So, I thought it might be nice to comment on ella's poem. First, I was intrigued by her method of rewrite, she created an interesting parallelism out of it - almost finding another completely different poem within the first but sharing many of the sonics, devices, etc. If ella had just posted this poem out of nowhere, i would have liked it. I think it needs some polish, but I also think it deserves some polish.

(03-04-2014, 10:53 AM)milo Wrote:  Truth of a Chambermaid

She relies upon her good humor-
tames her hair to some degree
whips up a bun with carved comb,
doesn't wear her skirt above her knee.
This was an interesting start - I liked the juxtaposition of her personality with her hair. I am ambivalent about skipping the one article while including others. Maybe "doesn't" could be replaced with "and won't". Also, "above the knee" to avoid the double "her's"
maybe just:
wears her skirt below the knee


Quote:Her warm brown eyes dim
with memories of the siege.
Somnambulant through vacant halls,
she startles as her cellphone rings,
still wary of calls to leave her hometown
she harbors fears they'll come for her.
She shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.
In here it gets a littl pronoun happy. It gets a little clumsy starting with "still wary" which continues through the rest of the stanza. I think siege works in it's generality.

Maybe I can chuck those two bum lines:
Her warm brown eyes dim
with memories of the siege.
Somnambulant through vacant halls,
she startles as her cellphone rings,
shakes herself, resists the urge to flee.

I don't know, maybe I need the details, just better ones.


Quote:She moves to clear debris of guests, aloof
in berths they laze, at long buffets they graze.
"long" feels padded and the inversion of "they graze" doesn't help

point taken, needs reworking

Quote:She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears.
"scraps" is an odd choice. "seasoned with her mother's tears" is a little twee and I don't think you pull it off here.

I like scraps in contrast to the guests' feast, I'll try to improve that. I kept tears to relate to the poem before, I don't like it either, I settled seeing an end in sight.Smile I'll fix it.

Quote:Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
I don't think you need both safe and free to dream.

I think I need both, safe is body, free to dream is mind.

Quote:not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast-
a queen, head high, who faced the beast.

-Ellajam

once again, the missing article is too disruptive. There is some confusion with the pronoun switch at the end.

Here I'm not sure what you mean. Article before ragged? Switch from son to mother unclear? I can't pinpoint what's off.

Anyway, I think it has promise, thanks for participating

Thanks, milo, and thanks for the fine mermaid poem. I was so relieved to receive a poem so interesting and enjoyable to read the countless times that I needed to in order to attempt this. I would have loved to stay with the mermaid but quickly realized I couldn't come up with something I liked as much, so I moved next door. Smile

I chose to follow Michael Wolkind's example of how to play, although his poem was wild his technique was concrete and gave me a method.

And thanks, milo and the pig pen, for creating a place so supportive that even those of us with lesser skills feel secure enough to play with writers more experienced. You've done this not with polite false applause, but by being willing to give even weaker poems the benefit of serious critique.

I appreciate the opportunities given to me here, this was a stimulating challenge.

I'd like to comment on erthona's contribution. It's a good thing I had swallowed my coffee because I laughed out loud the first time I read it, and still grin every time. I've read humorous twists on Salome's story before, but never one that mocked her quite so blatantly.

While I think it is an opportunity missed by not actually using seven meats (no pepperoni!), I would have hated to have missed the image of "shooting anchovies from her nether regions".

I enjoyed the stark contrast between this and the poem before it, while the poem after it managed to come at the story from yet another angle. Well played, all.

Quote:Erthona wrote:

Salami to no a veil
The Opera of Headless John

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Herod fat-pig asks his slut sausage Salami
Salami, :What will you do with your pet John?”
--dick stress

Salami sings off key to John
verses of Abba all night long
John throws up, but is unmoved.

Salami dance the dance of the seven meats
John ignores her disgusting dance especially
when she pulls a hogi from between her thighs
John eats not!

John preaches in his head,
that Christ has come though John as not
he is unsure about Salami!

Salami acts as though John’s mouth is a large pickle,
Nibbling, sucking (especially sucking, and other
oral gymnastics) to no avail as the pickle stays frozen.

Salami in desperation dances her dance of fifty meats,
cold cuts flying everywhere, shooting anchovies
from her nether regions, yet John holds fast to the “armour” of God.

When Christ returns to redeem his order of pastrami on rye,
We simpletons will drink mead with all,
Salami heareth not his call as this is not Salami on rye,
John makes no reply as Herod has chopped off his head.

Erthona (Dale Tisdale)
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(03-07-2014, 09:04 PM)ellajam Wrote:  She can't pretend she doesn't miss
the taste of scraps and local greens
seasoned with her mother's spice and tears.
"scraps" is an odd choice. "seasoned with her mother's tears" is a little twee and I don't think you pull it off here.

Quote:I like scraps in contrast to the guests' feast, I'll try to improve that. I kept tears to relate to the poem before, I don't like it either, I settled seeing an end in sight.Smile I'll fix it.
Thinking about it, I like scraps but dislike the ambiguity. Any way of making it table scraps or dinner scraps, etc.?

Quote:Her babe sleeps safe and free to dream:
I don't think you need both safe and free to dream.

Quote:I think I need both, safe is body, free to dream is mind.
for me, " free to dream" implies safety, but it may be a minor point.

Quote:not bound to ragged past he'll sing a newfound song,
her lullaby imprinted on his breast-
a queen, head high, who faced the beast.

-Ellajam

once again, the missing article is too disruptive. There is some confusion with the pronoun switch at the end.
Quote:Here I'm not sure what you mean. Article before ragged? Switch from son to mother unclear? I can't pinpoint what's off.
yes, the missing article before ragged.

Quote:Thanks, milo, and thanks for the fine mermaid poem. I was so relieved to receive a poem so interesting and enjoyable to read the countless times that I needed to in order to attempt this. I would have loved to stay with the mermaid but quickly realized I couldn't come up with something I liked as much, so I moved next door. Smile

I chose to follow Michael Wolkind's example of how to play, although his poem was wild his technique was concrete and gave me a method.
Yes, I remember michal's response included the aplogy, "sorry, but I was watching a cooking show"

I may have other examples of the game somewhere if you were interested.
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Hello justcloudy, it was great to see how you handled the poetry telephone game.

(03-04-2014, 10:53 AM)justcloudy Wrote:  Bastard

His shallow breathing steadies her--
shut eyes and wordless dreams;
she lies all night imagining
his future as a king.
the second line doesn't seem to fit grammatically. I also don't think it adds much. From later in the poem I took him to be quite young, perhaps even an infant so it is tough to reconcile "wordless dreams".

Quote:She wraps up tight and holds him close,
sings what mother once sung
before the masks and blasts released
mom’s breath from collapsed lungs.

Something strange about the first line here. I guess, I want to ask she wraps /what/ up tight even though I assume it is him. Also, why "up"? Maybe she wraps "him" tight? "Sung" should technically be "sang" as it is simple past from. I think you can safely trim the article before masks.

Quote:Each morn she hands him over
to a foreign loveless breast ,
trudges to the chateau’s chambers
invisible to guests.
My instinct is to balk at "morn" but I suppose the diction fits the scene. I wonder if there is a way you can let the reader decide the breast is loveless without just telling me - (cold, white breast)

Quote:A life lived in repetition
with one hope to sustain--
her son’s father a royal,
with no heirs yet to his name.
I think there is a way to state the redundancy without the abstraction of repetition and I think it might be worth seeking it out. Also, following "with one hope" I don't think you need "to sustain". I don't see a valid reason to skip the "is" before "a royal". I also don't think you need "to his name", no heirs is no heirs. This stanza may be my least favourite, I wonder if you need it at all.

Quote:She scrubs and mutely smiles,
but when far from hidden spies
brown eyes leak salty water
fearing promises were lies.
Maybe She smiles mutely as she scrubs to free the conjunction. Comparing tears to salty water isn't exactly fresh. If the spies are hidden how does she know when she is far from them? "fearing promises . . ." may be a little clunky.

Quote:Will they take her back to where
her mind buried in the past--
a dark hall of hopeless mortals
starving in their iron casts?
I like the idea and sound of "iron casts" but I am having difficulty reconciling it - is it a dungeon? "hopeless" - again, this is a litlle telly.
Quote:She lifts her chin up slowly
as she rises from the ground--
a king deserves a mother
who’s still regal when cast down.
I don't think you need "up" with lifts. maybe just "and rises" to trim the pronoun repetition.

Overall, I enjoyed the reading and the message good enough to carry.

Thanks for participating.
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Thanks for the thoughts milo! Honestly I didn't find it very easy to follow ella's poem because I wasn't sure exactly what her story was (and from her comments above apparently she wasn't totally sure either, hehe). I don't usually write with meter and rhyme thus some of the clunkiness and unnecessary words, but this one was just begging for it, so I succumbed. Not making excuses though, and some of the things you pointed out are now embarrassingly and glaringly obvious. But as ella said, this was a great exercise that put the more inexperienced of us shoulder to shoulder with some great poets, (I mean c'mon, justmercedes' followed mine...) but without evoking any feeling of inadequacy. Very cool. Looking forward to the next one, and being able to contribute something a little more polished. =]

-justcloudy
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The howling beast is back.
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(03-10-2014, 03:59 AM)justcloudy Wrote:  Thanks for the thoughts milo! Honestly I didn't find it very easy to follow ella's poem because I wasn't sure exactly what her story was (and from her comments above apparently she wasn't totally sure either, hehe). I don't usually write with meter and rhyme thus some of the clunkiness and unnecessary words, but this one was just begging for it, so I succumbed. Not making excuses though, and some of the things you pointed out are now embarrassingly and glaringly obvious. But as ella said, this was a great exercise that put the more inexperienced of us shoulder to shoulder with some great poets, (I mean c'mon, justmercedes' followed mine...) but without evoking any feeling of inadequacy. Very cool. Looking forward to the next one, and being able to contribute something a little more polished. =]

-justcloudy


I don't think it is an easy task to follow anyone. Also, there were only 48 hours so the assumption is that they were all drafts. Half the fun is the commenting and revising afterwards!

I think you did fine, btw, I rushed mine and made a ton of mistakes - I am just waiting for some observant PigPenner to point them out.
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Mine was very rushed and is gawd awful. Of course in a forty eight hour period you don't get to actually spend forty eight hours working on the poem.
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