An Unpleasant Poem
#1
I'm still working out the kinks with stress and rhythm, so I would really love feedback on how it works in this poem. I've read it aloud a baker's dozen times by now, and I feel a solid rhythm to it. I'm also curious what this poem qualifies as, I think it's free verse, but please let me know if it fits into any form.

This is also an experimental poem. Please do express it if you feel that this poem is too much or too preachy. I annoted this at the end with spots I see might need improvement, and as always, all the input I can get will be appreciated. I'm looking forward to improving the quality of this poem with ya'lls advice, thanks! (Loving this workshop forum).

An Unpleasant Poem

Pointless violence in all of its forms
With waste of life its halls adorns.
We who stand erect, above,
Of pity full and full of love,
We humans, we who also fail
To sympathize with suffering wails
Can we let anyone fall by the wayside?
Where most does cruelty strike chords of anger?
When it happens to friends, animals, strangers?
How does one smell the roses, and just enjoy life
When reminded of cruelty, when reminded of strife?
And oh, how cruel actions build up until unbearable;
For every cause a reaction; in this case, it is terrible.
How can we allow this madness to abide?

From the dawn, Abel was murdered by Cain,
From the first, we humans have caused such pain.
Then violence built up to such a staggering degree
And no kindness could be found in humanity,
The world was flooded, sin was washed away,
But violence came back with the breaking of day,
And blood was spilled by the One who is worthy to save.
It wasn't enough. Cruelty has reached an apex.
For here I see violence, viciousness, sex
Predation, and I can't help but feel
That the love of Christ has no mass appeal.
I know that the life of one person can be changed,
But what of the world, and how it's harangued?
It seems God has arisen and left us an empty grave.


Overwhelming is the only word that can apply
To that appalling suffering and that wretched cry
Of the bruised and broken, the abandoned and helpless,
Those alone in their pain, as life seems so hopeless.
But should I feel more intensely for the one or the other,
For the neglected dog or the mistreated mother
Or, is it right to say that it's all equally bad?
Here people are considered morally superior
Here animals are the ones regarded inferior
Yet as people treat animals, so, too, will they treat their own kin.
Without care for the one, in entirety sympathy is broken.
Experiments are done, though, for human well-being
That result in animal suffering, death, and weeping
(If I may be anthropomorphic, they do seem sad)


The “Whys”, one of five “W”s,
Gathers together to examine the views:
Why the emphasis on human charity
When animal care is an equal verity?
Who else can we relate with but with our own species
Why care about animals caged with their own feces
Where is the time to care with human need so rampant everywhere?
Just shoot the animals is one of the replies
When the topic of suffering arises.
How I disagree with such a brash, unfounded statement
As this life for animals is their only escarpment.
Never will animals bask in heaven's light,
Here is the one chance they have at delight.
However, many shall not, and instead endure abuse and despair.


But is it right to focus on animal needs, which are base,
Compared with the glory of us, the human race?
But is making a stalwart stand for no more dead dogs
And saying you won't eat meat from poorly treated hogs
The equivalent of denying humans compassion?
If I focus on animals, what of the human ration?
Surely human needs come first; this is obvious.
From my eyes I see that the human needs are filled
The government and charity both give them meals.
So, then, to my first love I give board and care
Knowing that they will never die unwanted there;
Temporary shelters do exist to keep them healthy, loved, and safe
From abandonment and neglect caused by us, the glorious human race.
Towards animal suffering, I refuse to be oblivious.


What exacerbates cruelty? I can think of one example:
The vain pursuit of wealth, even when funds are ample.
Case in point is county shelters, the “pound”
Where the last barks of lost dogs resound.
If I only had the money, and could accomplish this wish:
To exempt my taxes from this greedy fucking Charybdis.
I dream of fostering dogs from here if only I had enough space,
To write checks for board, feed, and ransom on the life of a pet
If I had the resources: food, shelter, care, play, trips to the vet.
Healthy, manageable pets should not be killed just to save money
If they were resource animals, fine, but this, this is just plain greedy
Pets are friends, they shouldn't be slaughtered after being abused,
They should not be put down after all that they've been through,
Yet so many never know the love and care of the glorious human race.


God does love his creatures, he knows when every sparrow falls
He feeds the deer and the lion, and he knows their faintest calls
He dresses the rose and the wolf in all their splendor and beauty
Then He tells us this, in case life loses all its levity:
Of how much more value is a person than a bird?
God condones humaneness towards all living things,
For every person and animal for the reward that it brings:
To be loved in return, a reward no price can be put upon
And a reward that infuses grace into every bloody dawn.
For by grace we may be saved, if we so choose:
There is everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
I remember God's love for all in His Word.


S1:10 (Stanza 1, line 10)

Is the cliché of smell the roses OK here? I tried to treat it like the cliché it is.

S1:12

I was hoping for visual effect, building up a longer poem until this line is reached.

S1:13

Is “harangued” acceptable here for poetic license?

S2

For stanza two, I want it to read with increasing speed until line 8, slow down abruptly, and then pick up in speed again through the end. Please let me know if it felt that way to you.

S3:10

I'm afraid this line is too long, but I can't figure how to condense such a complicated thought any further.

S4

Stanza four is experimental. I'd appreciate any feedback about where and when this was done before. I could use some opinions about the first two lines here, does the rhyme seem forced? Also, I used poetic license again in line four with that slightly misused “verity”. Please do let me know if you find “virtue” to sound better, I'm fine without having a rhyme.

S5

From stanza five on, PLEASE let me know if the poem gets to preachy or pushy. I need to learn social boundaries in writing. Also, do you think lines three and four seem forced?

S6

I apologize for being crass.

S7

This stanza is the one I'm most afraid of. I don't want it to be preachy, I just want it to be out there. Please tell me if it needs more balance. I'm honestly pleased with line nine, it's my favorite in this poem.
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#2
(04-13-2014, 05:12 AM)kindofahippy Wrote:  I'm still working out the kinks with stress and rhythm, so I would really love feedback on how it works in this poem. I've read it aloud a baker's dozen times by now, and I feel a solid rhythm to it. I'm also curious what this poem qualifies as, I think it's free verse, but please let me know if it fits into any form.

This is also an experimental poem. Please do express it if you feel that this poem is too much or too preachy. I annoted this at the end with spots I see might need improvement, and as always, all the input I can get will be appreciated. I'm looking forward to improving the quality of this poem with ya'lls advice, thanks! (Loving this workshop forum).

An Unpleasant Poem

Pointless violence in all of its forms,[/b]
With waste of life its halls adorns.
We who stand erect, above,
Of pity full and full of love,
We humans, we who also fail
To sympathize with suffering wails
Can we let anyone fall by the wayside?
Where most does cruelty strike chords of anger?
When it happens to friends, animals, strangers?
How does one smell the roses, and just enjoy life
When reminded of cruelty, when reminded of strife?
And oh, how cruel actions build up until unbearable;
For every cause a reaction; in this case, it is terrible.
How can we allow this madness to abide?

From the dawn, Abel was murdered by Cain,
From the first, we humans have caused such pain.
Then violence built up to such a staggering degree
And no kindness could be found in humanity,
The world was flooded, sin was washed away,
But violence came back with the breaking of day,
And blood was spilled by the One who is worthy to save.
It wasn't enough. Cruelty has reached an apex.
For here I see violence, viciousness, sex
Predation, and I can't help but feel
That the love of Christ has no mass appeal.
I know that the life of one person can be changed,
But what of the world, and how it's harangued?
It seems God has arisen and left us an empty grave.


Overwhelming is the only word that can apply
To that appalling suffering and that wretched cry
Of the bruised and broken, the abandoned and helpless,
Those alone in their pain, as life seems so hopeless.
But should I feel more intensely for the one or the other,
For the neglected dog or the mistreated mother
Or, is it right to say that it's all equally bad?
Here people are considered morally superior
Here animals are the ones regarded inferior
Yet as people treat animals, so, too, will they treat their own kin.
Without care for the one, in entirety sympathy is broken.
Experiments are done, though, for human well-being
That result in animal suffering, death, and weeping
(If I may be anthropomorphic, they do seem sad)


The “Whys”, one of five “W”s,
Gathers together to examine the views:
Why the emphasis on human charity
When animal care is an equal verity?
Who else can we relate with but with our own species
Why care about animals caged with their own feces
Where is the time to care with human need so rampant everywhere?
Just shoot the animals is one of the replies
When the topic of suffering arises.
How I disagree with such a brash, unfounded statement
As this life for animals is their only escarpment.
Never will animals bask in heaven's light,
Here is the one chance they have at delight.
However, many shall not, and instead endure abuse and despair.


But is it right to focus on animal needs, which are base,
Compared with the glory of us, the human race?
But is making a stalwart stand for no more dead dogs
And saying you won't eat meat from poorly treated hogs
The equivalent of denying humans compassion?
If I focus on animals, what of the human ration?
Surely human needs come first; this is obvious.
From my eyes I see that the human needs are filled
The government and charity both give them meals.
So, then, to my first love I give board and care
Knowing that they will never die unwanted there;
Temporary shelters do exist to keep them healthy, loved, and safe
From abandonment and neglect caused by us, the glorious human race.
Towards animal suffering, I refuse to be oblivious.


What exacerbates cruelty? I can think of one example:
The vain pursuit of wealth, even when funds are ample.
Case in point is county shelters, the “pound”
Where the last barks of lost dogs resound.
If I only had the money, and could accomplish this wish:
To exempt my taxes from this greedy fucking Charybdis.
I dream of fostering dogs from here if only I had enough space,
To write checks for board, feed, and ransom on the life of a pet
If I had the resources: food, shelter, care, play, trips to the vet.
Healthy, manageable pets should not be killed just to save money
If they were resource animals, fine, but this, this is just plain greedy
Pets are friends, they shouldn't be slaughtered after being abused,
They should not be put down after all that they've been through,
Yet so many never know the love and care of the glorious human race.


God does love his creatures, he knows when every sparrow falls
He feeds the deer and the lion, and he knows their faintest calls
He dresses the rose and the wolf in all their splendor and beauty
Then He tells us this, in case life loses all its levity:
Of how much more value is a person than a bird?
God condones humaneness towards all living things,
For every person and animal for the reward that it brings:
To be loved in return, a reward no price can be put upon
And a reward that infuses grace into every bloody dawn.
For by grace we may be saved, if we so choose:
There is everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
I remember God's love for all in His Word.


S1:10 (Stanza 1, line 10)

Is the cliché of smell the roses OK here? I tried to treat it like the cliché it is.

S1:12

I was hoping for visual effect, building up a longer poem until this line is reached.

S1:13

Is “harangued” acceptable here for poetic license?

S2

For stanza two, I want it to read with increasing speed until line 8, slow down abruptly, and then pick up in speed again through the end. Please let me know if it felt that way to you.

S3:10

I'm afraid this line is too long, but I can't figure how to condense such a complicated thought any further.

S4

Stanza four is experimental. I'd appreciate any feedback about where and when this was done before. I could use some opinions about the first two lines here, does the rhyme seem forced? Also, I used poetic license again in line four with that slightly misused “verity”. Please do let me know if you find “virtue” to sound better, I'm fine without having a rhyme.

S5

From stanza five on, PLEASE let me know if the poem gets to preachy or pushy. I need to learn social boundaries in writing. Also, do you think lines three and four seem forced?

S6

I apologize for being crass.

S7

This stanza is the one I'm most afraid of. I don't want it to be preachy, I just want it to be out there. Please tell me if it needs more balance. I'm honestly pleased with line nine, it's my favorite in this poem.
Brother I have just spent 12 hrs studying poetic meter and about 10 minutes of it has soaked in. When I stumbled through your "experimental poem" I saw enough to keep me studying another 24 hrs. What I'm trying to say is, you need help from a higher source, (that may not have come out right either) some of the seniors. as for cliches "smell the roses" is straight from the gnome's smelly booking agency. As far is crass is concerned, think nothing of it, sounds kinda like apologizing for pootin at the Queen's tea party. As long as we're all learning a little bit each day and havin a good time doin it------LET ER RIP!! I really look forward to being a more substantial help, in the mean time keep on keeping on. Oh,Yea, here's a good example of trochaic monometer from the poem "Fleas"
Adam
Had'em.
Hey, maybe I didn't waste 12hrs after all.
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Later my Friend,

Robert
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#3
As far as the form of the whole poem:Form wise, you start off with four foot lines, but wander away for that after the fourth. I think you should hold to the pattern throughout, even though it is not metered. For the most part this is in rhyming couplets, except where it is not. Some seem forced.
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I don't have time for the whole poem for the rest of the critique, so Ill look at the first stanza:

Pointless violence in all of its forms (Unsupportable hyperbole: violence always has a purpose, usually to give the person who is raging something to hurt in order to feel better. Everyone has some sadism inside of them. Some more than others. To open a poem with something that is patently untrue, cast suspicion upon the validity of the speakers thesis.)
With waste of life its halls adorns. (who is "it's and where is this place?)
We who stand erect, above,
Of pity full and full of love,
We humans, we who also fail
To sympathize with suffering wails
Can we let anyone fall by the wayside? (Please don't cap words that don't start a sentence, it makes it difficult to read. There is an option in Word that allows one to change the auto cap) In terms of the last four lines they seem a bit gratuitous. It seems to be setting up a "look at us how noble we are, and look at them how cruel they are. Question: is this about helping diminish cruelty to animals or showing how morally superior your group is.)
Where most does cruelty strike chords of anger? (forced rhyme)(as far as I know cruelty is driven by anger, even sadism, so this line seems nonsensical to me)
When it happens to friends, animals, strangers? (The answer should be where helpless animal or human are dealt blows of abuse_abuse covers a wide range of behaviors without having to list them all.)
How does one smell the roses, and just enjoy life
When reminded of cruelty, when reminded of strife? (are these mutually exclusive?)
And oh, how cruel actions build up until unbearable; (That is sort of the way it happens, isn't it?)
For every cause a reaction; in this case, it is terrible.
How can we allow this madness to abide? (I don't think madness is an appropriate word here. A mad dog is put down, are you recommending the same for humans that abuse animals, or should they be put in institutions for the criminally insane.)

This would make a very good Johnathan Edwards sermon. If you are preaching to the choir to get them riled up, this might work. I doubt you will get any converts as the tone is too preachy and too full of self-righteous zeal. I think focusing on the people who abuse animals is not where your focus should be, but rather on the animals' stories, and how they were abused.
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Have a look at cidermaid's poem
War Horse" in this link war horse

I think you will find it instructive.
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Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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#4
Erthona, thanks for your thoughts, you are very learned and your advice is always appreciated. The first line should properly read "senseless violence", which is the whole sad subject of the innocent who have suffered throughout history. The second line is metaphor, I suppose too abstract and forced, saying that this senseless violence destroys lives that could have been much happier.

I was afraid this poem might come across as self-righteous. The poem draws from my finding the abuse of animals a little worse than the abuse of people, since animals can't resist or speak out against abuse like people can. This, in turn, makes me wonder if that thought is okay, or if it's wrong to think like that. It's the reason why I ask, what manner of abuse should we be angriest at? Equally angry at it all, perhaps?

The last line is pure desperation. I wish we could put every abuser in an asylum and figure out why people act the way they do, but we can't and abuse will always happen. A better line would be, "How I wish this madness would subside."
*Warning: blatant tomfoolery above this line
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#5
There is no doubt in my mind that abuse of animals is worse than people, with the exception of children. They are innocents, and do what they do because they know of nothing else. They have no conception of right or wrong, or even less understanding of human preference, which can be arbitrary and against their instincts. Then there are the animals (I think mostly dogs) who are beat because the human is mad, and instead of dealing with their anger properly they take it out on the animal whose only crime is to be there. However, if you rant and preach about the subject, you discredit yourself. In other words you end up having the opposite effect from what you want. BTW, did you catch the "sonnet" I posted for you in the members area. It's one of my first attempts, it is for the most part pretty bad. I thought it might give you hope.

Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?

The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
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#6
The first half of your first stanza seemed to flow very well, then it kinda flounced and floundered around... I'm new to critiquing poetry and new to certain aspects of writing it as well. So maybe I'm missing something roughly mid stanza throughout the poem we have a renegade line, just chillin in the middle by himself, and I'm like "wtf bro, what are you doin there?" He can't answer me, but he does look awkward and uncomfortable where he is.
Maybe it's just personal preference, but when I read something I like to feel like I started someplace and ended someplace... else. Especially when I read THAT much of something, and to feel like I didn't progress to anywhere from anywhere... idk... maybe I'm biases though, while I believe in respecting animals to their utmost, I'm more of an All Dogs Go To Heaven type of guy ya know... and you had several lines that felt forced like "escarpment" and "statement" maybe technically they rhyme, but they don't really sound like they rhyme, at least not in that rhythm, and "replies" with "arises" I don't think that works in any rhythm.
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