01-06-2012, 10:22 AM
Well old bean,
First, it is axiomatic that if A is divorced from B, then B is divorced from A.
Secondly, 'inspire' in no wise has the same root as 'enthuse'. It comes from the Latin word for 'breathe' as in the tag : 'Dum spiro, spero'. (While I breathe, I hope'.) So 'expire' means 'breathe out', and 'inspire' means breathe in'.
Sorry, I wasn't clear on that, I was a bit rushed and didn't review what I had written. It was sloppy writing on my part. I meant the same root meaning, not the same root word.
That the word entheos (enthuse) in Greek is equivalent to the Latin inspīrāre, just as Zeus is equivalent to Jove, or Jupiter, although a direct tracing of the word Zeus shows it changes into the Latin word "deus" (god). And conversely as shown below "entheos" is translated as the word "inspired" which as you know comes from the Latin word "inspīrāre". That spirit and breath are equivalent ideas, since in the Greek myth Prometheus breath the breath of the god into man to make him animate, the idea that is embodied in both words means roughly the same thing, "to be filled with the breath of the god". All of that is understood when we say the word inspire, that is that "breath" is equal too "spirit", as it means the breath of the god, which is spirit, or that which animates. This same idea of Prometheus breathing the animating spirit into man, is exactly what is meant when the Greek or the Romans talk about the effect of the muses upon humans.
[C17: from Late Latin enthūsiasmus, from Greek enthousiasmos, from enthousiazein to be possessed by a god, from entheos inspired, from en- ² + theos god]
Latin inspīrāre to breathe upon or into, equivalent to in- in-2 + spīrāre to breathe
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"First, it is axiomatic that if A is divorced from B, then B is divorced from A."
True but you did not offer any kind of proof or corollary that A is firstly connected to B. You simply made the statement that there must be a connection between the two, yet never defined that.
I understand what you are getting at, but that is when men state things as truth and use such statement to support emotional detachment from the suffering of others. Such as the idea that everyone must work through their Karma to progress, so why should I intervene to prevent pain and suffering because that is what they need to progress. However when I am talking about truth, I am not talking about a truth that can be verbalized, I am talking about the kind of truth that creates a change in attitude and outlook. Something like the transformation of Scrooge in a "Christmas Carol". such things may lead to an adage, but the adage in no way can contain the truth, because it can not be conceptualized, at least not directly. It is kind of like the idea we have of God. If God does exists, then our conception, by definition, could at best be a vague shadow of what God actually is, since God would be beyond our ability to conceptualize. Art, is suppose to be the closets way to manifest truth in a form that man can comprehend. Poets, artists and such are the tools the gods use to communicate with man, that communication is what I refer to as truth.
Dale
First, it is axiomatic that if A is divorced from B, then B is divorced from A.
Secondly, 'inspire' in no wise has the same root as 'enthuse'. It comes from the Latin word for 'breathe' as in the tag : 'Dum spiro, spero'. (While I breathe, I hope'.) So 'expire' means 'breathe out', and 'inspire' means breathe in'.
Sorry, I wasn't clear on that, I was a bit rushed and didn't review what I had written. It was sloppy writing on my part. I meant the same root meaning, not the same root word.
That the word entheos (enthuse) in Greek is equivalent to the Latin inspīrāre, just as Zeus is equivalent to Jove, or Jupiter, although a direct tracing of the word Zeus shows it changes into the Latin word "deus" (god). And conversely as shown below "entheos" is translated as the word "inspired" which as you know comes from the Latin word "inspīrāre". That spirit and breath are equivalent ideas, since in the Greek myth Prometheus breath the breath of the god into man to make him animate, the idea that is embodied in both words means roughly the same thing, "to be filled with the breath of the god". All of that is understood when we say the word inspire, that is that "breath" is equal too "spirit", as it means the breath of the god, which is spirit, or that which animates. This same idea of Prometheus breathing the animating spirit into man, is exactly what is meant when the Greek or the Romans talk about the effect of the muses upon humans.
[C17: from Late Latin enthūsiasmus, from Greek enthousiasmos, from enthousiazein to be possessed by a god, from entheos inspired, from en- ² + theos god]
Latin inspīrāre to breathe upon or into, equivalent to in- in-2 + spīrāre to breathe
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"First, it is axiomatic that if A is divorced from B, then B is divorced from A."
True but you did not offer any kind of proof or corollary that A is firstly connected to B. You simply made the statement that there must be a connection between the two, yet never defined that.
I understand what you are getting at, but that is when men state things as truth and use such statement to support emotional detachment from the suffering of others. Such as the idea that everyone must work through their Karma to progress, so why should I intervene to prevent pain and suffering because that is what they need to progress. However when I am talking about truth, I am not talking about a truth that can be verbalized, I am talking about the kind of truth that creates a change in attitude and outlook. Something like the transformation of Scrooge in a "Christmas Carol". such things may lead to an adage, but the adage in no way can contain the truth, because it can not be conceptualized, at least not directly. It is kind of like the idea we have of God. If God does exists, then our conception, by definition, could at best be a vague shadow of what God actually is, since God would be beyond our ability to conceptualize. Art, is suppose to be the closets way to manifest truth in a form that man can comprehend. Poets, artists and such are the tools the gods use to communicate with man, that communication is what I refer to as truth.
Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.