Glitter and Glee

[heslopian]

In response to your comment about Michael Jackson - Billy, I resent you making sly assumptions about what I do and don't believe. Not once did I say that Michael Jackson was either guilty or not guilty of sexual abuse. What I said was it's feasible that nothing sexual went on, though like I said I still don't think it was innocent. It's clear Michael Jackson had some serious problems, paedophile or not.
In the light of what you're telling me now, such as the porn and the drugs (which I didn't realise were facts and not just allegations) I must admit he does seem pretty damn guilty. However, I still don't think it's our position as objective observers aware only of what was reported in the media, and without inside information or personal involvement, to pass judgement. It's a bit like when I read a comment on a YouTube video of Anne Sexton where someone basically called her the scum of the earth because of what she did with her kids. As far as I'm concerned only her daughters, who experienced her actions first hand, should be allowed to make such statements.
I'm not defending Michael Jackson. At no point did I say your opinion wasn't valid, I merely took offence at the unpleasent images you needlessly evoked in order to shock and thus emphasise your point.

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but isn't it a two edged sword jack, don't those shallow dickheads have to live with us, surely these kids who walk away with certain feeling will prob have those same feelings if they didn't watch it.

I don't believe that, no. Kids base their attitudes on what they're exposed to. I don't think we're born into this world with certain principles and ideas we carry through life from the moment we leave the womb.

if we use the arguement that gleeclub teaches kids that there's no bisexualty (given the nature it's light entertainment)
what does it say about all genre of the film and television industry? that it's okay to kill as long as it seems proper? (any adventure film) that we can commit murder and get away with it even if we're poor (la law) and heres the greatest one of all. that love triumphs over everything else) i'm sorry but if if a guy who likes both sexes sexually; and i'm on about someone in or going through puberty, actually belives that shit then they have a too low IQ and need to removed from the gene pool.

Yes but those shows you mention don't (or shouldn't) advocate violence. Glee claims to reflect reality and encourage useful morals which our children should adopt. Indiana Jones does not. It presents itself on its own terms as light entertainment.

you're gay, you make no bones about it. did your dad ever tell you weren't gay? did you believe him, and if so for how long. light entertainment if the kind that says bi sex doesn't exist is what drives people to depression, bullying, even suicide. if i'm gay and someone says, sotty billy, theres no such thing as same sex love, i'd fuck him up the arse and ask 'are you sure about that"
this thing relating to hormones affects everyone, same sex or no, bi sex or no. and i think it isn't the fault of the producers.

My father doesn't know I'm gay. As a child however he talked sometimes about how gays were evil scum and paedophiles and it stuck with me. I turned out not believing it, mostly I think because I became gay myself, and realised I wasn't evil or perverted, but his words still tortured me for years. It was the impetus behind the breakdown I describe in "Secrets." I was depressed and suicidal because a source I trusted (unwittingly) told me I was wrong, and I believe the same thing could happen if kids are allowed to perpetuate the myth that bisexuality doesn't exist.

think about it. in another thread we're discussing bring out the subject of same sex sex through film and art. the same is true for bi. if we censor the light entertainment shows for saying there is no bi sexuality then we have to censor the people who say there is.
if we stop the man who believes gay sex is wrong from saying so then we must also stop those who believe it isn't wrong. and yes i do believe in certain censorships but not that kind. while i may not agree with it i accept that some do or will.

If Glee was art I'd agree with you. Then I wouldn't mind it saying whatever the hell it likes. The whole point of art is that it exists outside societal restraints on what we can and can't say. But Glee isn't art. It's light entertainment posing as art so it can force feed an impressionable generation crap.

i cannot and will not believe that an 11 or 13 year old child who feels his hormones telling him/her they're gay or bi hasn't the intelligence, or where with all to be able to look the subject up in a library or on the internet. that they don't have older friends going through the same process. and while i accept some kids don't have the social skills i'd say many do. those who suffer anxiety through or because of the hormones and emotions will not have those feeling changed one way or the other because some twat on glee says there's no bisexuality.

Okay. Hypothetical situation: You're a black child at an all white school. The other kids call you names and pick on you constantly because you're black. Your parents and older black friends outside of school tell you you're fine, and you read about it in a book and decide that, yeah, it's okay to be black. But the other kids won't change their minds and still continue to pick on you. When all is said and done, you have to spend a significant amount of your life among those kids, they form the basis for your social development, so whether or not you know you're right and they're wrong doesn't really matter. They'll still reject you and you'll still be alone.