01-11-2011, 03:57 PM
okay, it's in serious discussion so let's leave the red and any other coloured coats out of it please. stay relevant to the topic which concerns the now and not 200 years ago/admin
VF; i can understand that people have possession of more small arms than the armed forces. most in the armed forces have 1 small arms weapon. many civilians (and there are a lot more civilians than members of the armed forces) have 1, 2, 3, or even whole collections of small arms. specially in the usa. i was a little surprised about europe though.
thethingy;
i agree, i think the fact that people can carry concealed weapons is fundamentally flawed.
1. should you be held up at gun point and then try to pull your gun out, the chances are you'll end up dead.
2. how many weapons get into criminal hands after being held up and disarmed?
3. robbers would more likely hold up some when they can't see the gun as holding up someone who has a gun in plain sight.
i can understand people wanting a gun in the home. but not one to wear concealed. i could also never see the point of having a weapon that wasn't loaded upon the person.
lawrence;
the people who did the columbine killings were not criminals before the act. they were two senior students who had access to guns. to use the analogy that the killers were "criminals" is a misnomer. the weapons they used were either bought legally or borrowed from friends, these borrowed weapons were also acquired though legal means (a shop) while gangsta types will always get guns. collage types would find it a lot harder to acquire if their friends and relatives hadn't already bought them.
without the gun laws in the usa we can assume at most they may have gotten their hands on maybe one weapon and a small amount of ammo.
the blaming the fat girls obesity on the spoon falls down against the fact that these guns were readily available and that if they were not the two killers probably wouldn't have had the where with all to acquire them. i'm not sure how many weapons they had but it was more than one or two.
apart from gangsta deaths i'm sure (though i have no source) that non gangster deaths are fewer in countries where weapons are harder to come by. specially the accidental deaths where a kid plays with the fathers magnum and blows his little head off.
VF; i can understand that people have possession of more small arms than the armed forces. most in the armed forces have 1 small arms weapon. many civilians (and there are a lot more civilians than members of the armed forces) have 1, 2, 3, or even whole collections of small arms. specially in the usa. i was a little surprised about europe though.
thethingy;
i agree, i think the fact that people can carry concealed weapons is fundamentally flawed.
1. should you be held up at gun point and then try to pull your gun out, the chances are you'll end up dead.
2. how many weapons get into criminal hands after being held up and disarmed?
3. robbers would more likely hold up some when they can't see the gun as holding up someone who has a gun in plain sight.
i can understand people wanting a gun in the home. but not one to wear concealed. i could also never see the point of having a weapon that wasn't loaded upon the person.
lawrence;
the people who did the columbine killings were not criminals before the act. they were two senior students who had access to guns. to use the analogy that the killers were "criminals" is a misnomer. the weapons they used were either bought legally or borrowed from friends, these borrowed weapons were also acquired though legal means (a shop) while gangsta types will always get guns. collage types would find it a lot harder to acquire if their friends and relatives hadn't already bought them.
without the gun laws in the usa we can assume at most they may have gotten their hands on maybe one weapon and a small amount of ammo.
the blaming the fat girls obesity on the spoon falls down against the fact that these guns were readily available and that if they were not the two killers probably wouldn't have had the where with all to acquire them. i'm not sure how many weapons they had but it was more than one or two.
apart from gangsta deaths i'm sure (though i have no source) that non gangster deaths are fewer in countries where weapons are harder to come by. specially the accidental deaths where a kid plays with the fathers magnum and blows his little head off.