12-01-2010, 05:59 AM
(11-30-2010, 03:54 PM)kath3 Wrote: True enough, though we're never far from changes until we die ... and I by no means wish nor intend to convince or change anybody's mind, I was just sharing my experience ... that for myself I cannot accept that intervention through prayer is a man made myth. Because of my families experience I just can't and won't accept that.and rightly so, i know i'd def not expect or ask for that to happen.
Quote:If it is true that God stands idlely by doing nothing to stop rapes, murders, wars upon wars then where does our free will come into play? Where is our accountability for our own actions?do you mean the free will jews had in the holocaust? the free will the starving have in darfur. the think with free will is this, when someone has free and uses it violently it usually means a victim has no chance to use their free will.
What would be the point of free will if every wrongful move man makes it is to be undone by God's hand ... we would be nothing more than mindless puppets.
another example. we have free will as children, (they too die young from making the wrong choices) would you sit by and watch a child cross a busy road knowing that if it did it would die? would you sit by and watch a child drink a bottle of bleach.
does god have free will. because if he does; and the bible has shown that he does. Then surely he's also accountable for his actions or lack of actions. isn't our humanity based on him/his?
the last point, god knows everything right? what would be the point of giving us free will in the knowledge that with it we will wipe ourselves out.
why didn't he give us a limited free will. the same as a forum has. a moderated will if you will. we can only use bombs for peaceful purpose, we can't knowingly kill someone, we can't rape or molest kids. he set some rules out for us didn't he, but he also stopped us from certain things, a child can't enter heaven if it hasn't been baptised. (purgatory for you you boy) where's the choice there>
