torture

[billy]

You don't actually have to physically induce pain in someone to torture them.
If you put a person in a small empty cell with no bunk and a wet floor that they can not lay down on,
and leave the light on in the ceiling for 24 hours each day, that can be enough to break a person down.

yes but break them down for what, lies? the truths you want to hear.

i'm of a mind that torture is in some cases legitimate. if you're starting from a blank page so to speak then no. but if you're starting with lets say a person you know to be part of a system or group and that system or group is set of harming you and yours (including country fellow soldiers etc) then torture away. i know i'm sounding callous but i think there are times when it pays off.

the hard part is as addy says, making sure it's the exception rather than the rule.

i thing what happens a lot of the time is a person is tortured and it's an ongoing thing. the result is like touchstone says. you have a lot of info that could mean crappola.

while i know lie detectors can be fooled. im sure that after a few electric shocks to the gonads it wouldn't be so easy to cheat one.