Allusion in poetry
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(01-03-2026, 11:20 PM)rowens Wrote:  Magpiety. A vague, even if strong, adoration or appreciation of things, I call them tokens, for their own sake. Symbols, Objects, Ideas, etc.
This is also Love and Agon. Taking what is, repurposing it.
This can be Allusion in Poetry. This can be random-sounding statements in Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
I like the idea of magpiety as neologism for the tendency to collect disconnected bits throughout life .  Unfortunately, it is already a portmonteu of magpie and piety created by Hood to refernce people chattering on about religion which, frankly, is a better use anyway. Maybe something could still be one with crows or racoons?

Quote:Allusion is a magic word that will draw me like a dog-whistle. Like Influence and Inspiration. These are slip and slide playful words. 

For me, Order is Truth, Reality is Nothing. Chaos is Order. This makes sense, while including that nonsense is part of sense. Mystery is part of what's known.

When I write Fiction, I like to imagine the atmosphere and let happenings and figures emerge out of it. That's also how I experience the world.
I have a hard time retaining what I hear and listen to, as I'm always making connections to specific things, like songs and past experiences and movies and people and things they say and do. When I'm reading, I breeze over most things until something pulls me out of that daze of personal allusions.

It is also painful to write, as I have bad coordination skills, yet there is a rush of giddiness as the fatigue and discomfort associates with musicality and symbolism.
  This is mostly good through here.  I was originally turned off by the 3 cliches to start it and considered skimming but I am glad i didn't - just something to consider, you don't want to lose your reader.

I like your technique for writing fiction.  When I write fiction I tend to have some idea of character archetypes and the story I want to tell and then I just struggle through it linearly.  When I write poetry, it almost always starts with a funny observation and then I try to think what this could be a metaphor for.  For example, i know a girl who microblades her eybrows every 3 months.  She paid to have her eyebrows lasered off so she can pay to have them tatooed back on every 3 months.  This has to be a metaphor for something so I think there is a poem in there.

Quote:So for me, reading and writing and even watching tv and listening to music is laborious and sexy and addictive and annoying.
I studied the correspondences in magickal lore, and that helped disengage certain obsessive personal connections while replacing with others.
I see poetry and pop culture and folklore, and experience them as such, as people who truly believe in religions believe and experience.
I read poetry like people read the Bible. I skip around and pounce on and enjoy the parts that fit my current mood.

I think it is fine to occasionally remind the reader that your thoughts are centered in your narrator's ego but at times the "for meism" gets a little redundant. The comjparison of poetry to the bible is fine.  I don't know if the skipping around works for me as it feels the comparison falls apart there.

Quote:That is how I read and write. Allusions are framing devices and tonal and symbolic bridges. I remember Hunter S. Thompson referring to T. S. Eliot as writing poems like a bricklayer. And I see all of Hart Crane as a manic positivity even in despair, and Eliot as depressive ecstasy. And I mean that literally, aware that the word 'literal' concerns words and meanings and definitions, so literal is another level of figuration.

This section right here is probably the best

Quote:I read Eliot as a man making a reality out of a reality that's already made. To me, that's love. Making things out of things.

yah, I love Eliot and every discussion of allusion will inevitably bring him up but, I feel many times Eliot obsfucates his metaphor through allusion rather than strengthens is.

Quote:For me, love exists. And that is the giddy clash of connections and correspondences, physical and mental and true and symbolic. These are all the same to me, simply reshuffling and making distinctions for distinctions' sakes, weight and counterweight, if I was you I'd be sitting where you are, and since I'm not, I'm able to see you. That.
  This is all good and definitely solid references to poetic creationism.  I think it is good you continue to loop back to the original subject through inference but I also like you drawing the reader in here.

Quote:I see no and experience no difference between the news, a bible, a poem, a novel, a cartoon, a wrestling match and what is happening right in front of me other than symbolic. Yet, some of those symbols can kill me or hurt me or make me sad or angry. 

That's how I read and write poetry. I read literary criticism to strengthen my relation to readers and poets. When I read and write poems, I continue to make my own connections and savagely repurpose poets' poems. Their symbols and meanings and intentions. Just like people do the bible. Guerilla Ontology already exists: I'm glad. I didn't have to make it up. 

This part here loses interest and steam a little.  The beginning feels like a restatement of what you said much stronger earlier.  Also, calling back to the narrator, i know I already called it out but the "for me-ism" is getting a little tedious.

Quote:When I don't drink alcohol, I have no interest in other people, except for attractive women, and so as to not write about that only, I simply play with tones and allusions and baroque and burlesque rhythms of my sensibility. Same with poems and allusions, they only interest me in as far as they tune my nervous system. In fact, all I am is a nervous system. When I drink alcohol, I am reborn as a man. No reason [slip: I meant wonder], Christ and Dionysos live and die with the vineyards. I believe in that literally.

And that is what allusion means to me. I could tell you what allusion really means, but to do so, I'd simply be telling you something I heard someone else say and/or witnessed them do in their poems.

The ending is fine as a summary.  I probably would have preferred if you used allusion and maybe you did and I just missed it.  It does remind me that I didn't point out in my preamble that there is a difference between reference and allusion and some do confuse the two.

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Messages In This Thread
Allusion in poetry - by milo - 01-03-2026, 09:49 PM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by rowens - 01-03-2026, 11:20 PM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by milo - 01-03-2026, 11:49 PM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by rowens - 01-04-2026, 12:58 AM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by milo - 01-04-2026, 01:05 AM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by rowens - 01-04-2026, 01:50 AM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by milo - 01-04-2026, 02:20 AM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by rowens - 01-04-2026, 02:55 AM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by busker - 01-04-2026, 05:20 PM
RE: Allusion in poetry - by milo - 01-04-2026, 11:46 PM



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