The Imperfect Wagnerite
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Have either of your ever read Nietzsche contra Wagner and that other book which title I don't remember directly after reading The Birth of Tragedy?

Shaw was also obsessed with both Nietzche and Wanger.

Nietzsche loved Wagner, so he went out of his way to dismiss him.
Nietzsche was obsessed with God, so he went out of his way to dismiss him.
Nietzsche was obsessed (as we all are), with the assumed opposite sex, so he flooded his books with despicable comments about women. Something Bluesmen and lonely high IQ people still tend to do.

I'm not sure, but I heard once that Hitler was in love and rejected by a Jewish woman.

Wagner, who was obsessed with Mythic Proportion Creation, and many humans before and after him, creative or not, have gone antiSemetic due to the richness of Hebrew Genius.

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While it's true that Hitler was infatuated with a woman named Stefanie Rabatsch, whose maiden name was Isak (and thus sounded Jewish), and that he was known to have some interactions with a young Jewish girl named Rosa Bernile Nienau, there's no evidence to support the claim that he was rejected by a Jewish woman or that this rejection was a motivating factor in his antisemitism. Stefanie Rabatsch was not Jewish, and while Hitler's friend August Kubizek claimed Hitler was deeply attached to her, there's no indication she ever rejected him. Hitler's antisemitism is a complex topic, but it's not rooted in a specific romantic rejection by a Jewish woman, according to Holocaust education resources.
Here's a breakdown:
Stefanie Rabatsch:
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August Kubizek described Hitler's teenage infatuation with Stefanie Rabatsch, whose maiden name was Isak. While the name sounded Jewish, she was not, according to Wikipedia. There's no evidence she rejected him, and Kubizek's account is the only source for this attachment.
Rosa Bernile Nienau:
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Hitler was photographed with Rosa, a young Jewish girl, and she was sometimes referred to as his "sweetheart". This relationship, however, was brief and ultimately ended when Nazi officials intervened. It was not a romantic relationship, and certainly not one where he was rejected.
Hitler's Antisemitism:
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Hitler's antisemitism developed over time, with his own writings suggesting it stemmed from his experiences in Vienna in his early years. The claim that he was motivated by a romantic rejection is not supported by evidence.
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The Imperfect Wagnerite - by RiverNotch - 07-17-2025, 04:52 PM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by busker - 07-18-2025, 03:40 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by RiverNotch - 07-18-2025, 04:14 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by busker - 07-19-2025, 05:49 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by rowens - 07-18-2025, 04:16 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by RiverNotch - 07-19-2025, 08:43 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by busker - 07-19-2025, 10:45 AM
RE: The Imperfect Wagnerite - by rowens - 07-19-2025, 09:48 AM
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