lyrics subforum

[busker]

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I apologize for telling busker to fuck off. I should’ve said, “see above.”

Now what?

I’m not interested in defending the most obvious point on the planet, that lyrics and poems are two poetic media with important differences, and I’m unable to defend my position because I need help articulating a lyrics theory that’s sufficiently distinct from poetry. That’s the whole point.

So, this argument is skunked.

I could say this,

Poems are governed by lexical meter. Lyrics are governed by beats. Therefore, a poet's concern is semantic flow, and the lyricists concern is semantic density. 

I could say this,

Song lyrics are the genitals of the poetic kingdom. Poets find pleasure in them, but usually they just want to play with them, and the idea of looking closely at them is repulsive.

I could say,

Defining lyrics as sung poetry is like defining a pepperoni pizza as spoiled meat on spoiled milk on spoiled flour and water.

Really, I could make the bestest case for anything, and busker would say, “I don’t get it.”

Sorry for telling you to fuck off, Busker. It’s not personal. I should’ve asked you to make a meaningful contribution to the dialectic instead of forcing it into recursive horse hockey.

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Tiger the Lion,

Thanks for posting that. Give me a minute. I was just being hostile to a stranger on the internet for nearly no reason, and I need to chill out. Busker, I’m genuinely sorry. I’d like to get what I want without being an asshole, but it’s the internet.

Also, the thing I want is important, so I don’t mind cursing you out. I’d do it again right now, but apparently there are sewer words that polite company can’t tolerate.

The world needs pigpen and pigpen needs a lyrics subforum. Please respond by asking how lyrics and poems differ. I’ll strike the bait.

Crow, I prefer that people speak plainly (in a “Discussion” forum), logically, and move from claim to argument to conclusion.
Let’s set aside the similes and analogies and get to the only part of your post that actually makes a claim.


“Lyrics are governed by beats”

But as I pointed out,

“For unto us a child is born
Unto us a son is given”

Is both there in the Bible and in Handel’s messiah

“Come away, come away, death
And in sad cypress let me be laid”

Is there in Shakespeare and also in the song that it was meant to be sung to

Which brings me back to the point that without the accompanying song, the lyric is useless
And critiquing the lyric alone is a waste of time 

In my impromptu song lyric post in Basic, your comments were about where the chorus should go. But there is no chorus in the song. You were making up rules and their enforcement manual as you went along.

This is my last post on the subject. This is not a discussion worth prolonging.