12-28-2020, 11:59 PM
The fraud is definite, distinct, and definitely the Democrats'. There is abundant evidence. The response below is apparently still at Stage 1 denial... which has gone quite a bit further down its track elsewhere:
Stage 1 - There was no fraud.
Stage 2 - There was no widespread fraud.
Stage 3 - There was widespread fraud, but not enough to alter the results of the election.
Stage 4 - There was enough fraud to alter the results of the election, but it's too late to do anything about it.
Stage 5 - RESIST! RESIST! RESIST! (Reserved in case of Trump's second inauguration... accompanied by rioting, looting, and destruction in precisely those Democrat-ruled cities where the fraud was perpetrated. Karma's a cast-iron bitch.)
It is an interesting observation that Republican wrongdoing doesn't produce these drive-time tropes. I suggest this is because, due in part to media bias, Republicans don't get away with it - Oliver North was persecuted/prosecuted, Nixon driven from office, and Bush II roundly castigated for Iraq II. There's also a more relevant distinction: Reagan and Bush weren't acting from self-interest, where Clinton and now Biden (or his backers) definitely are. Carter and Obama got a pass for different reasons: Carter for his obvious cluelessness (which endures) and Obama because he was the house... Affirmative Action hire and everyone knew after his first few months that he was a worthless race-baiter the like of which we've all seen and understand for what they are.
So: Americans are taking the impunity of Clinton and Biden personally. Hear the sirens now?
Stage 1 - There was no fraud.
Stage 2 - There was no widespread fraud.
Stage 3 - There was widespread fraud, but not enough to alter the results of the election.
Stage 4 - There was enough fraud to alter the results of the election, but it's too late to do anything about it.
Stage 5 - RESIST! RESIST! RESIST! (Reserved in case of Trump's second inauguration... accompanied by rioting, looting, and destruction in precisely those Democrat-ruled cities where the fraud was perpetrated. Karma's a cast-iron bitch.)
It is an interesting observation that Republican wrongdoing doesn't produce these drive-time tropes. I suggest this is because, due in part to media bias, Republicans don't get away with it - Oliver North was persecuted/prosecuted, Nixon driven from office, and Bush II roundly castigated for Iraq II. There's also a more relevant distinction: Reagan and Bush weren't acting from self-interest, where Clinton and now Biden (or his backers) definitely are. Carter and Obama got a pass for different reasons: Carter for his obvious cluelessness (which endures) and Obama because he was the house... Affirmative Action hire and everyone knew after his first few months that he was a worthless race-baiter the like of which we've all seen and understand for what they are.
So: Americans are taking the impunity of Clinton and Biden personally. Hear the sirens now?
(12-27-2020, 09:40 PM)Knot Wrote: .
Hi duke,
as one watching from afar I'm not sure I buy this.
The lies of Clinton (coming, as they did, after Reagan and Iran-Contra, not to mention Nixon) seemed always on the pale side, and 'November's fraudulence' hasn't been established, has it? Or is the 'fraud' Trump's? (Either way, weren't a great many already pulling out 'into moving traffic' before the election?) Then you've got 'clip a cheater' (and discounting the 'wise guy' interpretation of 'clip') this, again, pales given the surprisingly long list of people being run down at various protests (L.A, Minneapolis, Indianna, Charlottesville, Buffalo, Seattle, etc etc.) And the question remains, what of those who don't choose to lie or cheat or clip, aren't they America too? What distinguishes the 'others who swerve'?
I think the idea is interesting, a kind of corrosive 'trickle down' effect, but I don't know that these are the best illustrations of that.
Starting with 'often I hear sirens' might be an idea.
Best, Knot
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