06-22-2019, 06:28 AM
All I did was ask questions and challenge the answers. People rise to challenges.
The question is only at a dead end when people stop trying evaluate or reevaluate their own answers and stop trying to learn because they think they already know the answers. I’m not at that stage yet. Winning the argument? No one wins an argument. One debates to hear alternate sides of a topic. One debates both sides of a topic, and learns to see both sides of a position.
Why initiate the conversation? To give people the opportunity to examine others’ thoughts and learn. If someone picked up on one idea which they thought they might use in writing, or achieved a direction or goal, then it was worth the effort, in my book. It was also meant to be a lead-in to the craft of writing poetry, but meandered instead into the philosophical. Thanks OK - discussions form a mind of their own and go where they will. It was still interesting.
Quoting from a source? To demonstrate this questions have already been researched, asked and opinions offered. I would love to see citations on works to support the opinions offered here. There are several articles I wanted to introduce, but haven’t figured out how to scan from books to text onto the iPhone. Most of the articles offering varying viewpoints to consider. There are many ways to learn.
Agreeing with the aphorists? Not really. More a concession to the inevitable, to try to bring the topic online with the original intent.
Interesting responses. Too bad the discussion has been declared at an end. I was looking forward to the discussion moving from the philosophical to the more mundane topic of craft. As I stated originally, I don’t see it discussed much anymore.
Gotta admit though, from going back and looking at older posts, this is the most interaction I’ve seen on the forum.
And also causes me to wonder what - if anything - in the previous discussion has contributed to the lack of popularity of modern poetry? Mostly I hear from people is that they don’t understand modern poetry. Are we over thinking - over rationalizing it? Or are we attempting to justify somehow our inability to engage the majority of the populace with modern poetry?
Just musing...
Yes. Since we seem to agree ‘heightened language’ is a differentiating factor between prose and poetry, then I think it’s an important discussion for students of poetry to have.
The question is only at a dead end when people stop trying evaluate or reevaluate their own answers and stop trying to learn because they think they already know the answers. I’m not at that stage yet. Winning the argument? No one wins an argument. One debates to hear alternate sides of a topic. One debates both sides of a topic, and learns to see both sides of a position.
Why initiate the conversation? To give people the opportunity to examine others’ thoughts and learn. If someone picked up on one idea which they thought they might use in writing, or achieved a direction or goal, then it was worth the effort, in my book. It was also meant to be a lead-in to the craft of writing poetry, but meandered instead into the philosophical. Thanks OK - discussions form a mind of their own and go where they will. It was still interesting.
Quoting from a source? To demonstrate this questions have already been researched, asked and opinions offered. I would love to see citations on works to support the opinions offered here. There are several articles I wanted to introduce, but haven’t figured out how to scan from books to text onto the iPhone. Most of the articles offering varying viewpoints to consider. There are many ways to learn.
Agreeing with the aphorists? Not really. More a concession to the inevitable, to try to bring the topic online with the original intent.
Interesting responses. Too bad the discussion has been declared at an end. I was looking forward to the discussion moving from the philosophical to the more mundane topic of craft. As I stated originally, I don’t see it discussed much anymore.
Gotta admit though, from going back and looking at older posts, this is the most interaction I’ve seen on the forum.
And also causes me to wonder what - if anything - in the previous discussion has contributed to the lack of popularity of modern poetry? Mostly I hear from people is that they don’t understand modern poetry. Are we over thinking - over rationalizing it? Or are we attempting to justify somehow our inability to engage the majority of the populace with modern poetry?
Just musing...
Quote:Do you want to talk about how to produce heightened language, or what heightened language is existentially, or experientially, or is there a difference?
Yes. Since we seem to agree ‘heightened language’ is a differentiating factor between prose and poetry, then I think it’s an important discussion for students of poetry to have.
There is no escape from metre; there is only mastery. TS Eliot