Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever?
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(03-31-2019, 01:28 PM)billy Wrote:  what the scientists did for science, bill did for english language, a language that covers a large part of the globe. it's a fair comparison.
Only for the English, not French or Russian. The Germans loved Shakespeare, but it's not clear how Shakespeare influenced them.
Voltaire disdained Shakespeare, as did (did I mention it?) Tolstoy.
To compare Shakespeare's influence to that of Newton is factually incorrect. Although both are cultural icons of a similar stature to the English, their value is vastly different in other cultures. A better comparison would be Newton and Karl Marx, who both transcend cultures.

Quote:here's a cut and past, the article is much longer but i can't be arsed doing it all or source it other than to google "what did Shakespeare do for us" ;
note the phrases "world's pre-eminent dramatist" and "other languages" the man added around 1,700 new words to the language we speak. i'd say that's pretty fuckin awesome
No evidence - just a claim. Many of them were just words in use at the time, in an English language that was still evolving. Nevertheless, it's not clear how just making up new words is an achievement. It's not as if he invented a language and grammar, just borrowed (or made up) a lot of slang: https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/0...story.html


Quote:Shakespeare's influence extends from theatre and literature to present-day movies, Western philosophy, and the English language itself. 
Shakespeare's influence on English literature and culture is considerable.
He was one of several big names on the European stage. Schopenhauer admired Shakespeare, as he did also Goethe and Calderon.
Nevertheless, I am not sure (and I suspect, neither are you!) on how Shakespeare "influenced" Kant or Schopenhauer or Spinoza or philosophy in general. Incidentally, Wittgenstein hated Shakespeare.

Quote:William Shakespeare is widely regarded as the greatest writer in the history of the English language,[1] and the world's pre-eminent dramatist.[2][3][4] He transformed European theatre by expanding expectations about what could be accomplished through innovation in characterization, plot, language and genre.[5][6][7] Shakespeare's writings have also impacted a large number of notable novelists and poets over the years, including Herman Melville[8] Charles Dickens,[9] and Maya Angelou,[10] and continue to influence new authors even today. Shakespeare is the most quoted writer in the history of the English-speaking world[11][12] after the various writers of the Bible; many of his quotations and neologisms have passed into everyday usage in English and other languages.

That is what happens when you found a language a tradition, and are taught in schools. Your standing in purely literary terms has nothing to do with it.

In this and every instance, your defence of Shakespeare is from appeals to authority. Tolstoy's problem with King Lear was stated in clear, logical terms. If a modern day TV writer opened a story like bill did, he wouldn't get very far.

The greatest cultural contribution of Britain is Sherlock Holmes.
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Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by billy - 03-26-2019, 04:26 PM
RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by busker - 03-26-2019, 05:43 PM
RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by billy - 03-26-2019, 06:35 PM
RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by busker - 03-26-2019, 07:57 PM
RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by busker - 03-27-2019, 03:48 AM
RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by billy - 03-27-2019, 12:00 AM
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RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by billy - 03-27-2019, 11:51 AM
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RE: Who is the Most Famous Poet Ever? - by billy - 03-31-2019, 05:45 PM
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