The Father
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(02-27-2017, 06:07 AM)muteyy Wrote:  First off, I would like to thank all of you for taking the time to respond to my "poem." I understand its difficulty to read, so I definitely appreciate time spent. Now I would like to address everyone's questions and comments about it. Smile

(02-26-2017, 06:09 AM)CRNDLSM Wrote:  Since this is basic critique and you're new, I want to ask what you find poetic about this, and focus on that.  For me, too much father son back and forth, is and has, and choppy sentences. - I definitely see where you are coming from here. It is not an easy read by any means, and there is no flow to it. I will try to work on this.
Elaboration - What would you like to see elaborated?
I like thinking about a father son match like basketball, competition, you know, like personal life aside on the field.  Mano a Mano. - That is sort of the vibe I was going for here, aside from the fact it is from a 3rd person point of view. I will think and reconsider the choice I have made.

I said in my head, '16 pointS to gryffindor!'  But I got way lost in the heavens, why call them blind mice, are you focusing on how weird thE holy trinity is? 3 in 1 and such. - I am a HUGE Harry Potter fan, so I like that you got some enjoyment out this. 16 points refers to how many points the word "profligate" would be in Scrabble. Obscure reference, I know, but I enjoyed it. In hindsight, very few people would understand that, so I will probably end up taking it out. I also address the Three Blind Mice in a comment later. Not so much weirdness, but more of a blind leading the blind.

I like the enjambent of 'in darkness' - Thank you for enjoying some part of it!
(02-26-2017, 06:20 AM)Achebe Wrote:  If the son is in heaven with the father, then how is he a prodigal? If you took S2,  appended the last 3 lines of S1 at the end, and discarded the rest, then you might have some sort of poem on your hands. - The son is not in heaven with the father. They are both on Earth. I see how it could be confusing since I use two forms of the word "Son" and two forms with the word "Father". In some instances the father is God, and in some it is the child. Same with the son being used as Jesus. The son not conforming to the "Father" (uppercase F), is why the father (lowercase f) has no son. Therefore the reference to the prodigal son.
(02-26-2017, 10:53 AM)nibbed Wrote:  Hi.

It was a poem I had to really concentrate to catch, because of the teeter-tottering, and partly because of my ongoing challenge with comprehension. I actually "got it", a sort of Cats-in-the-cradle  type piece, but not, where perhaps dad is more a picture of the prodigal (I really like this idea) because his position of judgement and conditional love (taking score, unforgiveness) cancels him out as a true believer? - THANK YOU. It was probably along and rough journey to the end, but yes, you did get the overall point I was attempting to get across. I was not referring the father as not being a "true believer", but too much of a believer. (If there can be such a thing.) The choice of his religion and his "Father" being more important than his son.
 Wondering why the Trinity was portrayed as superficial unless the son felt such stinging hurt by his father that he rejected his faith, finding solace with a different walk. - The Three Blind Mice comparison was to imply that the blind are leading the blind. Again, obscure, but it made sense in my head somehow. Huh 
 Could newborne be a metaphor concerning a sort of personal enlightenment or freedom? - This could be taken in the way that you see it, however the point I was trying to get across is that the son has his first child, and he realizes what it is truly like to be a father. (If that makes any sense.)
The title seemed a bit too simple, giving less power/clarity to the piece. - The title is still in work, but I definitely see what you're saying.



Best wishes!
(02-26-2017, 12:07 PM)Flos Campi Wrote:  In lines 4-5, I would suggest moving the "the"s so it becomes "The son is prodigal,/The father is awaiting" as this seems to better parallel the way you refer to these two figures throughout S1. - This may cut down on some of the choppiness of reading it as well. Thank you!
Additionally, although I like the meaning that you're getting across in the last 4 lines of S2, I think that they could be rewritten to improve the imagery. Maybe make a more concrete sensory connection between what is happening in Heaven and on Earth? - This was in reference to that "door of decisions," that every person must face when it comes to religion, without living on the fence. It's either one side or the other. I will consider rework around this section to see if any clarity can be added.

The tone and form of the poem is gorgeous though, especially the first 3 lines of S1 and all of S3, so I think that with a bit of revision it will be absolutely fantastic. - I really appreciate that. I am glad that this poem doesn't deserve to go in the trash JUST yet. Smile
Alright alright alright. Thank you again everyone for your comments, and keep them coming if you have any. I enjoyed doing this "piece." I definitely will rework it, and post an updated version when I am more confident with my outcome. Smile)
Eh? The Christian Messiah is the prodigal but he's in heaven with his Pater, so how is he a prodigal? It would have made sense if the earthly son, John Baxter, say, was a prodigal for not believing in the Christian myth.
~ I think I just quoted myself - Achebe
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Messages In This Thread
The Father - by muteyy - 02-26-2017, 04:39 AM
RE: The Father - by CRNDLSM - 02-26-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: The Father - by Achebe - 02-26-2017, 06:20 AM
RE: The Father - by nibbed - 02-26-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: The Father - by Flos Campi - 02-26-2017, 12:07 PM
RE: The Father - by muteyy - 02-27-2017, 06:07 AM
RE: The Father - by Lizzie - 02-28-2017, 01:39 AM
RE: The Father - by Achebe - 02-28-2017, 08:28 AM



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