02-11-2016, 10:34 AM
Sorry but I consulted a dictionary as I usually do, but whats metastyle? I could only find a botanical definition for it...
I respectfully disagree with you though Rowens; I think individualism is stronger today than it ever has been-- its just hard to see because the only things that appear on the surface are the plastic, industry influenced ideas. Also, theres so many people on Earth now. We are a race that grows exponentially, theres 7 billion people but they say if we keep growing at this rate there will be 30 billion by 2030(roughly, dont quote me on that). Sure you have a lot of people following, but I also think you have many more leaders creating movements and trends, going against the grain and all that than we've ever had before. I think individualism is stronger today, but mainly because theres just alot more people. And sure, you have Hollywood and its schemes to stay in control and make as much money off people as possible(same with the media). But we also have the internet, a humanly infinite resource of ideas, a censor-less environment where an individual can share whatever he/she chooses and people can take whatever they wish. I don't think there's anything more individualistic than someone whose influences came from various resources across the world. Or even someone like me, just a guy who has been blessed with the ability to learn that which interests him from other individuals he otherwise never would have been able to connect with.
Also, I think my question on this has been mis-interpreted, which is largely my fault. I said style when I probably should have used another word. But honestly... I dont think you can choose a style at all. I think style chooses you, I dont think any great trend-setter was aware that what he/she was doing was going to be as impactful as whatever it became. Since I've been getting into beat lately though, this is what I'll say; Labels, like stereotypes, hold a painful truth in them. The truth is nobody knows everything, nobody holds the same influences no matter how vast their influences may be, so to see similar influences in works and group them together for better reference and understanding, well that only makes sense to me. Yes, this is not style, but genre. And again its not like a writer should be like, "Oh I wanna write beat," or "oh thats definitely beat," but a reader should be able to look at a poem like this one and understand the writers bedrock for that particular piece. And if a writer writes something that's beat, its not(its as dale said, post-beat). To me, all beat is is the name given to a group of individuals who grouped together at the same time to work towards a common goal(kinda like a gang
) The same is shown in classical music, labeling simply helps us to distinguish time-lines and progression. Francisco Tarrega has the exact same licks as Enrique Granados and vice-versa in some pieces, yet its possible I never would known nor been exposed to Granados if no-one ever labeled Tarrega and Granados under the same branch in that particular tree of music. Or I never would've known that Leyenda was in fact a rendition of pianists Isaac Albeniz's original work. Like the saying goes, birds of a feather... I'm just trying to learn as many breeds as possible, as I feel we all should.
mike
I respectfully disagree with you though Rowens; I think individualism is stronger today than it ever has been-- its just hard to see because the only things that appear on the surface are the plastic, industry influenced ideas. Also, theres so many people on Earth now. We are a race that grows exponentially, theres 7 billion people but they say if we keep growing at this rate there will be 30 billion by 2030(roughly, dont quote me on that). Sure you have a lot of people following, but I also think you have many more leaders creating movements and trends, going against the grain and all that than we've ever had before. I think individualism is stronger today, but mainly because theres just alot more people. And sure, you have Hollywood and its schemes to stay in control and make as much money off people as possible(same with the media). But we also have the internet, a humanly infinite resource of ideas, a censor-less environment where an individual can share whatever he/she chooses and people can take whatever they wish. I don't think there's anything more individualistic than someone whose influences came from various resources across the world. Or even someone like me, just a guy who has been blessed with the ability to learn that which interests him from other individuals he otherwise never would have been able to connect with.
Also, I think my question on this has been mis-interpreted, which is largely my fault. I said style when I probably should have used another word. But honestly... I dont think you can choose a style at all. I think style chooses you, I dont think any great trend-setter was aware that what he/she was doing was going to be as impactful as whatever it became. Since I've been getting into beat lately though, this is what I'll say; Labels, like stereotypes, hold a painful truth in them. The truth is nobody knows everything, nobody holds the same influences no matter how vast their influences may be, so to see similar influences in works and group them together for better reference and understanding, well that only makes sense to me. Yes, this is not style, but genre. And again its not like a writer should be like, "Oh I wanna write beat," or "oh thats definitely beat," but a reader should be able to look at a poem like this one and understand the writers bedrock for that particular piece. And if a writer writes something that's beat, its not(its as dale said, post-beat). To me, all beat is is the name given to a group of individuals who grouped together at the same time to work towards a common goal(kinda like a gang
) The same is shown in classical music, labeling simply helps us to distinguish time-lines and progression. Francisco Tarrega has the exact same licks as Enrique Granados and vice-versa in some pieces, yet its possible I never would known nor been exposed to Granados if no-one ever labeled Tarrega and Granados under the same branch in that particular tree of music. Or I never would've known that Leyenda was in fact a rendition of pianists Isaac Albeniz's original work. Like the saying goes, birds of a feather... I'm just trying to learn as many breeds as possible, as I feel we all should.mike
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