01-06-2016, 03:34 AM
shurgaree,
No, I did all the drugs, enough for retirement now had I had it all back. I did my travels mostly after I quit using. While your using and it is still working things do look much like you describe. when you're not and reality steps in; things become a bit more visceral, more fearful and one notices the negatives more. Drugs are a great fear suppressor, so I know exactly what you are talking about. But you were right, I did not critique the poem from the perspective of someone who was on drugs. As a general rule I critique poems as they stand on their own. The involvement of the writer ceases as the last character hits the page. How could it be any other way. The reader does not know the writer, all they have is the poem. I still stand by my " kaleidoscopic eyes" comment. even with the external eyes closed the inner eyes must be open, but there is nothing to say this is part of a drug experience. Yes, you say 10 lines earlier that you took LSD, is the reader suppose to make the connection. I've used hallucinogens and had all kinds of experiences and except for "DMT" there is little predicting what one will experience. So it seems as is often the case you are projecting common experiences from a small subgroup to the rest of the world and that simply neither rational or valid. So sure, it is mentioned in a Beatles song related to LSD, but even according to them it had nothing to do with taking the drug. I was also a counselor for 20+ years and did thousands of psy-socials, a large part with drug addicts, as I worked with duel diagnosis patients, and such a description never came up, nor was it ever mentioned in the thousands of pages of area specific literature which I read.
I am not saying this to be mean, just to point out this is a stumbling block for all younger poets (first ten years or so), that they assume the reader knows what they know.
In terms of the "Tao Te Ching" it is knowledge to learn the words and become acquainted with pictures of balance, it is quit another to achieve it. Euphoria is just another form of attachment.
In terms of the places you have been, I am envious, I just missed out on going to Nepal. Although since we were suppose ti fly into that airstrip that goes uphill and is considered the worlds deadliest maybe I'm not so sad. Also, don't get me wrong, I have loved the places I have gone, they were just not the places in the books, but the people were wonderful, ans as you said the food is fun. Although I am generally cautious of street vendors in Mexico. Of course I am too old and infirmed for any traveling anymore.
Best,
dale
No, I did all the drugs, enough for retirement now had I had it all back. I did my travels mostly after I quit using. While your using and it is still working things do look much like you describe. when you're not and reality steps in; things become a bit more visceral, more fearful and one notices the negatives more. Drugs are a great fear suppressor, so I know exactly what you are talking about. But you were right, I did not critique the poem from the perspective of someone who was on drugs. As a general rule I critique poems as they stand on their own. The involvement of the writer ceases as the last character hits the page. How could it be any other way. The reader does not know the writer, all they have is the poem. I still stand by my " kaleidoscopic eyes" comment. even with the external eyes closed the inner eyes must be open, but there is nothing to say this is part of a drug experience. Yes, you say 10 lines earlier that you took LSD, is the reader suppose to make the connection. I've used hallucinogens and had all kinds of experiences and except for "DMT" there is little predicting what one will experience. So it seems as is often the case you are projecting common experiences from a small subgroup to the rest of the world and that simply neither rational or valid. So sure, it is mentioned in a Beatles song related to LSD, but even according to them it had nothing to do with taking the drug. I was also a counselor for 20+ years and did thousands of psy-socials, a large part with drug addicts, as I worked with duel diagnosis patients, and such a description never came up, nor was it ever mentioned in the thousands of pages of area specific literature which I read.
I am not saying this to be mean, just to point out this is a stumbling block for all younger poets (first ten years or so), that they assume the reader knows what they know.
In terms of the "Tao Te Ching" it is knowledge to learn the words and become acquainted with pictures of balance, it is quit another to achieve it. Euphoria is just another form of attachment.
In terms of the places you have been, I am envious, I just missed out on going to Nepal. Although since we were suppose ti fly into that airstrip that goes uphill and is considered the worlds deadliest maybe I'm not so sad. Also, don't get me wrong, I have loved the places I have gone, they were just not the places in the books, but the people were wonderful, ans as you said the food is fun. Although I am generally cautious of street vendors in Mexico. Of course I am too old and infirmed for any traveling anymore.
Best,
dale
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The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.