02-01-2015, 04:26 PM
RN
As you already know what you mean, why would you have to guess? However your readers do not know what you mean and they would have to guess. What you say they mean is not the first thought that comes to me when I read it. As for symbolism, it was an art movement in Europe. I forget the years. Symbolism simply means the use of symbols. Saying this is like that as you do is not symbolism. I thought maybe you were referring to the French Symbolism movement of the latter half of the 19th century. However-
Baudelaire was probably the best known of the French symbolism movement. Here are two examples from one of his poem "Anywhere Out of this World".
"I look and see myself angelic! I die and love
—Let the window be art, mysticism,—
To be reborn, wearing my dream as a crown,
In that previous sky where Beauty flowered!"
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"But alas, here below is master: its spell
Nauseates me even unto this safe haven,
And the impure vomiting of Stupidity
Forces me to hold my nose before the blue."
Much use of symbols here, but except for the second line the rest seem attached to something defined, the most obvious are:
myself angelic
dream as a crown
impure vomiting of Stupidity
As this seems to have little to do with your poem, or maybe I'm not seeing it, that you say you are using symbolism bypasses me. Sorry, I'm not good at guessing.
Dale
RN
As you already know what you mean, why would you have to guess? However your readers do not know what you mean and they would have to guess. What you say they mean is not the first thought that comes to me when I read it. As for symbolism, it was an art movement in Europe. I forget the years. Symbolism simply means the use of symbols. According to that definition you do not use symbolism. I thought maybe you were referring to the French Symbolism movement of the latter half of the 19th century. However-
Baudelaire was probably the best known of the French symbolism movement. Here are two examples from one of his poem "Anywhere Out of this World".
"I look and see myself angelic! I die and love
—Let the window be art, mysticism,—
To be reborn, wearing my dream as a crown,
In that previous sky where Beauty flowered!"
-----
"But alas, here below is master: its spell
Nauseates me even unto this safe haven,
And the impure vomiting of Stupidity
Forces me to hold my nose before the blue."
Much use of symbols here, but except for the second line the rest seem attached to something defined, the most obvious are:
myself angelic
dream as a crown
impure vomiting of Stupidity
As this seems to have little to do with your poem, or maybe I'm not seeing it, that you say you are using symbolism bypasses me. Sorry, I'm not good at guessing, so there must be something wrong with me that I don't get your poem.
Dale
Quote:RiverNotch wrote: "when I imagine those first three lines without any guessing"
As you already know what you mean, why would you have to guess? However your readers do not know what you mean and they would have to guess. What you say they mean is not the first thought that comes to me when I read it. As for symbolism, it was an art movement in Europe. I forget the years. Symbolism simply means the use of symbols. Saying this is like that as you do is not symbolism. I thought maybe you were referring to the French Symbolism movement of the latter half of the 19th century. However-
Baudelaire was probably the best known of the French symbolism movement. Here are two examples from one of his poem "Anywhere Out of this World".
"I look and see myself angelic! I die and love
—Let the window be art, mysticism,—
To be reborn, wearing my dream as a crown,
In that previous sky where Beauty flowered!"
-----
"But alas, here below is master: its spell
Nauseates me even unto this safe haven,
And the impure vomiting of Stupidity
Forces me to hold my nose before the blue."
Much use of symbols here, but except for the second line the rest seem attached to something defined, the most obvious are:
myself angelic
dream as a crown
impure vomiting of Stupidity
As this seems to have little to do with your poem, or maybe I'm not seeing it, that you say you are using symbolism bypasses me. Sorry, I'm not good at guessing.
Dale
RN
Quote:RiverNotch wrote: "when I imagine those first three lines without any guessing"
As you already know what you mean, why would you have to guess? However your readers do not know what you mean and they would have to guess. What you say they mean is not the first thought that comes to me when I read it. As for symbolism, it was an art movement in Europe. I forget the years. Symbolism simply means the use of symbols. According to that definition you do not use symbolism. I thought maybe you were referring to the French Symbolism movement of the latter half of the 19th century. However-
Baudelaire was probably the best known of the French symbolism movement. Here are two examples from one of his poem "Anywhere Out of this World".
"I look and see myself angelic! I die and love
—Let the window be art, mysticism,—
To be reborn, wearing my dream as a crown,
In that previous sky where Beauty flowered!"
-----
"But alas, here below is master: its spell
Nauseates me even unto this safe haven,
And the impure vomiting of Stupidity
Forces me to hold my nose before the blue."
Much use of symbols here, but except for the second line the rest seem attached to something defined, the most obvious are:
myself angelic
dream as a crown
impure vomiting of Stupidity
As this seems to have little to do with your poem, or maybe I'm not seeing it, that you say you are using symbolism bypasses me. Sorry, I'm not good at guessing, so there must be something wrong with me that I don't get your poem.
Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.