07-12-2014, 03:03 PM
TE,
I think I agree with you on most of your points. Yes, it was a very rough draft, but that is why I put it hear to see how people would respond to it. It's been my experience that if I put a fully worked piece in here, I get little response. SO I though I would try the reverse, As far as the "rock" being crucified, that is an allusion to Peter [Petros], whom Jesus called the rock upon which he would build his church. Peter requested to be crucified upside down because he was not worthy to die as his lord had.*
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Crucified upside down
Origen wrote: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer."
"Sermon by Leo the Great (440–461)". Ccel.org. 2005-07-13. Retrieved 2010-09-12.
[Origen Adamantius (Ὠριγένης Ἀδαμάντιος, Ōrigénēs Adamántios; 184/185 – 253/254),[1] was a scholar and early Christian theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticism, biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, philosophical theology, preaching, and spirituality.]
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Matthew 16:18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Matthew 16:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Jesus told peter of his death, and describe his )Peter's) arms being stretched out against his will. I suspect also in Matthew, but I am too tired to look it up.
Matthew 16:18 Gr Petros, a stone
Matthew 16:18 Gr petra, large rock; bed-rock
Dale
I think I agree with you on most of your points. Yes, it was a very rough draft, but that is why I put it hear to see how people would respond to it. It's been my experience that if I put a fully worked piece in here, I get little response. SO I though I would try the reverse, As far as the "rock" being crucified, that is an allusion to Peter [Petros], whom Jesus called the rock upon which he would build his church. Peter requested to be crucified upside down because he was not worthy to die as his lord had.*
*
Crucified upside down
Origen wrote: "Peter was crucified at Rome with his head downwards, as he himself had desired to suffer."
"Sermon by Leo the Great (440–461)". Ccel.org. 2005-07-13. Retrieved 2010-09-12.
[Origen Adamantius (Ὠριγένης Ἀδαμάντιος, Ōrigénēs Adamántios; 184/185 – 253/254),[1] was a scholar and early Christian theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticism, biblical exegesis and hermeneutics, philosophical theology, preaching, and spirituality.]
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Matthew 16:18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Matthew 16:18 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Jesus told peter of his death, and describe his )Peter's) arms being stretched out against his will. I suspect also in Matthew, but I am too tired to look it up.
Matthew 16:18 Gr Petros, a stone
Matthew 16:18 Gr petra, large rock; bed-rock
Dale
How long after picking up the brush, the first masterpiece?
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.
The goal is not to obfuscate that which is clear, but make clear that which isn't.