i'm not sure people are saying if a poem needs cutting down it's prose?
i know i'm saying i se prose as having no poetical devices, no assonance, no alliteration, metaphor or simile etc. and like everything else there are exceptions where a poem has poetic device but is only a poem in the ye of the person who wrote it. does a "this isn't poetry" equate to "This is prose"
as for making a distinction, there is already a general one out there, but it doesn't always works. free verse and blank verse; though blank verse uses meter. (which in and of itself doesn't make something poetry (in my view) others wil hold different views.
here's something to think about as well ( not aimed at any particular person but at all of us) these words given in feedback are just that, because they're said doesn't mean they hold any relevance. if anything we give them relevance by wailing against them. i'm also of a mind that sometimes we have a poem posted here that got great kudos elsewhere but no real feedback, poets often like to take kudos as real feedback and while it can be it's often just a tit-fo-tat well done for liking what i wrote. if anything that kudos via the awesom wow, means i never actually bothered reading what you wrote in the way i should have before i say wow. on some sites you can post a bucket of shit and people will fawn over it
but back to the prose thing. while some may be hurt by such a statement they shouldn't be, not really. we're not the houdini's of poetry or critique. (Though we do have a few who are that good on this site) in general we write pretty shitty poetry in the hope of improving (before i get attacked, note the WE, i include myself) if anything this discussion and poem have made me want to write a poem, something i haven't done for far too long. and guess what. it probably won't be that good and someone may say "this isn't poetry" i may think "you bastard" but i'll say "thanks for taking the time to comment" the carzy thing is i'll mean it.
we do have a place for Ekphraistic poetry though and a good thread for it in the practice forum
nb.
did they say your poem wasn't poetry recently or before your hiatus when you were in love with us ?
the good things about hacks like you and me is that we don't have to stay with these elitist cunts you speak of which is pretty much the same for non hacks. while like people to stay we're not here to placate, hacks or others such as elitist cunts.
i wrote more than one piece that wasn't deemed poetry, i tried to learn why someone thought that way. turned out they were correct and in the least bit elitist
i know i'm saying i se prose as having no poetical devices, no assonance, no alliteration, metaphor or simile etc. and like everything else there are exceptions where a poem has poetic device but is only a poem in the ye of the person who wrote it. does a "this isn't poetry" equate to "This is prose"
as for making a distinction, there is already a general one out there, but it doesn't always works. free verse and blank verse; though blank verse uses meter. (which in and of itself doesn't make something poetry (in my view) others wil hold different views.
here's something to think about as well ( not aimed at any particular person but at all of us) these words given in feedback are just that, because they're said doesn't mean they hold any relevance. if anything we give them relevance by wailing against them. i'm also of a mind that sometimes we have a poem posted here that got great kudos elsewhere but no real feedback, poets often like to take kudos as real feedback and while it can be it's often just a tit-fo-tat well done for liking what i wrote. if anything that kudos via the awesom wow, means i never actually bothered reading what you wrote in the way i should have before i say wow. on some sites you can post a bucket of shit and people will fawn over it
but back to the prose thing. while some may be hurt by such a statement they shouldn't be, not really. we're not the houdini's of poetry or critique. (Though we do have a few who are that good on this site) in general we write pretty shitty poetry in the hope of improving (before i get attacked, note the WE, i include myself) if anything this discussion and poem have made me want to write a poem, something i haven't done for far too long. and guess what. it probably won't be that good and someone may say "this isn't poetry" i may think "you bastard" but i'll say "thanks for taking the time to comment" the carzy thing is i'll mean it.
(10-04-2013, 11:59 AM)Aish Wrote: A piece I wrote was deemed " not poetry" on this site once and I was quite offended by the declaration as well as the commentary following it.yes i agree, we're a terrible site :J:
To be quite frank some of the critiques I've read since coming back remind more of a site I left a couple of years back because it was so technical and harsh I felt it stifled creativity instead of fostering skill. Ekphraistic pieces aren't really my cup of tea, but I have written a few (one is posted here) and as long as they aren't abused I don't see the harm.
I always fully admit my educational background is not in poetry, and while I lament that somewhat I would rather be a hack than an elitist cunt.
we do have a place for Ekphraistic poetry though and a good thread for it in the practice forum
nb.
did they say your poem wasn't poetry recently or before your hiatus when you were in love with us ?
the good things about hacks like you and me is that we don't have to stay with these elitist cunts you speak of
which is pretty much the same for non hacks. while like people to stay we're not here to placate, hacks or others such as elitist cunts. i wrote more than one piece that wasn't deemed poetry, i tried to learn why someone thought that way. turned out they were correct and in the least bit elitist