Bad Poetry

[rayheinrich]

Can you tell me why this is bad?

Ray runs on for a bit...

no matter how people will try, you cannot democratize quality, it is something that is inherent.

A workshop or committee will never be able to "vote" strength into the iron of a bridge and a poem is the same way.

You misunderstand. There's nothing about democratizing 'like' in my
comments. I said that there existed different sets of rules for judging it;
NOT that I would accept a vote. I sure as hell wouldn't. I happen to
like my set and I think everybody else is wrong. (Though I do happen to
agree with most of the rules of quite a few other people. Leanne, for
instance, I think most of her rules agree with mine. (She may have a
different opinion on this , but again: it ain't no democracy.)

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Was Emily dickinson a genius for her formal deviations or was she sloppy?

Both
But dubbing her a genius transformed a lot of that sloppiness to genius.
Fine with me cause I love short. Wish more writers would learn that
from her.

Efficiency and short are two different things. If a poem loses a subject, becomes redundant, or progresses into seething goop then I see your point. If readers are lazy and have A.D.D. like I do well that's another story.

I said I love short, not that that was my only criteria. There's lot's of
short that I don't like.

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Can quality be objectified as iron?

No, if meant literally; if meant metaphorically
you can link any damn thing you want and it will always be yes.
(Not that I have to like your 'yes'.)

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"The DECADENT SHIRE!"
Enter not this shadow place, for within its nook love found no space. -- rhyme without meter to match, quite unbalanced

A shire so fallen in the cruelest sense. The regard of its caretaker
never holding any respect. -- unmitigated prose, with a vague generalisation ("cruelest sense") to boot

For innocent care was not rendered and selfish greed had taken over. -- tell, tell, tell
The spoils of this fallen dream became a twisted dying clover. -- what the? A good example of rhyme driving the word choice with no regard for meaning

It was sad to see but inevitably known. -- awkward, telly and vague
These were the lost memories of a reality so empty and alone. -- awkward, telly, vague and stupid

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Even William Topaz McGonagall would have hung his head in shame at this one -- I do hope it's not by a well-regarded poet, Ray.

Well regarded by quite a few idiots who write execrable crap such as this.

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Can quality be objectified as iron?

quality can be measured /in/ iron, it cannot be voted on it must be measured.

Poetry is more difficult but the idea is the same. No matter how many people /vote/ that a bad poem is good, it is not.

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"The DECADENT SHIRE!"
Enter not this shadow place, for within its nook love found no space. -- rhyme without meter to match, quite unbalanced

A shire so fallen in the cruelest sense. The regard of its caretaker
never holding any respect. -- unmitigated prose, with a vague generalisation ("cruelest sense") to boot

For innocent care was not rendered and selfish greed had taken over. -- tell, tell, tell
The spoils of this fallen dream became a twisted dying clover. -- what the? A good example of rhyme driving the word choice with no regard for meaning

It was sad to see but inevitably known. -- awkward, telly and vague
These were the lost memories of a reality so empty and alone. -- awkward, telly, vague and stupid

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Even William Topaz McGonagall would have hung his head in shame at this one -- I do hope it's not by a well-regarded poet, Ray.

A quick google reveals that it is from deep underground poetry. It received the following telling comments:

"indeed, deep vortex man"
and "very good, very real"


The site advertises itself as "The Harder Side of Poetry"

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I must come to the defense of DU. There ARE some good poets that
post their poetry there. (About 23 out of 1300, but who's counting?.)