11-26-2012, 09:39 AM
(11-26-2012, 09:18 AM)rowens Wrote: Every aspect of society, every aspect of my personality is conditioned. To poetically enhance the aspects that I am capable of distingishing as better aspects is merely poetry. For me to have an opinion at all is merely me taking part in mere "poetic" assumptions based on conditioning.they're not accusing or attacking. most have said what it is for them.
No one has to agree with me. And I agree with mostly everything else that everyone else is saying here. And when you say it's as important as it is unimportant, I agree with that. I wanted to talk about the point of poetry, what it is to me, and I wanted others to talk about what it is to them. But along the way I was accused of promoting hedonism and wanting to write poems for no audience. Which brings me to another opinion of mine: that one of the most widespread and deeply conditioned things in people is the need for conflict.--It might not be important when reading someone's poems to know about their life or personal opinions, but to explain why I'm discussing poetry at all, through my opinions, it might help to get some background on why I have these opinions. If only for the sake of discussion.
When it comes to pain, we all feel pain. But the ways that people deal with pain and conflict affect the people around them. If everyone doesn't look at things deeply and seriously, the problems in life will never get better. And Everyone will never do that. Even if the solution to all of the world's problems magically appeared in a bag, that would only create the new problems of those that have a problem with the boring destiny that would bring about for people, along with much deeper and complex problems.
Civilization and society contain many realities. If people can say that poetry is simply an enjoyable hobby, that's fine. But I don't experience it that way. Nor do I think that TV or drugs or other such things are good enough ways to deal with problems.
I think the problem is society itself. That it has to be done away with. This society will never solve its problems as long as it exists. So to make it as plainly as possible, one last time, my desperate acceptance of this painful truth lies in poetry, or poetic enhancement, and what poetry motivates me to do: whether that be write a poem, or work to support someone I love, or try to help anyone I can that needs it.
i also think most get the gist of what you're saying and accept its what you feel. you're points of what poetry is are as valid as any others. it isn't about the need for conflict it's just about what the point of writing poetry is for us.
what i see happening is you making the thread into what's the point of writing poetry for rowens. which is fair as long as we can answer from our perspective. i accept you feel what you say, see and hear, but it it's not the same for me. i can only write what it is for me. that said, i get the feeling we have to feel your pain in order to understand what your going through poetry-wise. the truth is, i'm a cynic, i can't feel other peoples pain of suffering. i accept it but i can't understand it. i don't want to know how someone suffers for their poetry (i'm not attacking you or anyone else when i say that)it's just fact. i'm selfish, i don't suffer for anything i do in or outside of poetry. if i opened up the gates to all the sufferings i've endured i'd kill myself
(i really have had a lot) but they're mine, i own them and i don't want to be infected with someone elses except through a poem or in marks case, a pm 
writing for you is as you've described and that's fine. what is for me is also fine. for me writing poetry is just that writing poetry. a culmination of ideas, thought, experiences, and imaginings turned into some kind of readable birdshit on a page.
