poetry with zero replies

[billy]

Having said that, seeing new people who do use the site as we intend it to be used gives me many warm fuzzies.

Warm fuzzies? Are they cute? They sound cute...

In devonland (Hence the maid in my sign in) They are called Warm and fluffies

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To all the thread aministrators and to all those who have given me replies...perhaps this will sound like i'm blowing smoke...but I think this is a truly fab site and you all deserve as much praise and encouragment for the work you do as any newb that ever crossed the threshhold.
I am pleased you have posted this thread...although i.m not sure the guilty puppies will ever take a second look at the steaming pile. But for those of us who were feeling a little confused by the feedback ...or lack of...it is a small comfort. Thanks Billy for posting this.
@ Leanne...Your inclusion of my name gave me a def warm and fluffy..was feeling left out ..poor shallow creature that I am! Thanks for the mention in the teachers good books.
If it is not un-pc to mention other sites. I noticed that they operated a lock out system for repeated offenders on thier serious critique thread pages which seams to control the numpties to some degree.

lock outs are okay i suppose but having them creates an us and them atmosphere, and can imply that just because someone can't give really good critique are somehow unworthy. here we encourage newbs to try their hand at such critiques. how else do we learn. it's also why we have the novice and mild forums, they're sort of proving grounds so that people can find their feet. leanne sort's out those who post nothing but sugar kisses.

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so we soon find out very quickly we know NOTHING about poetry...ok so we post an we quite rightly need/want to comment on others, but you already say you dont want this to be another 'pat on the back' site..fine..but we dont have the tools or skill set to actually critique proper, so all we can do is say wot we feel..yeah it is in 1 line comments..but now we getting slayed for that !!!!

no you're not, not if you give a reason why you feel as you do. "I love how you depict the passion of the man." or "i love it because you make think of my own mother in a fresh light" what we or i don't like is "wow, it's fantastic" or "omg fluff fluff fluff." of course an odd remark like that is fine form someone who usually gives half decent feedback, simply because we can assume when they say it's not just a back slap.

take a poet here like anyone say cidermaid's poem 'Not Out' posted in the 'Mild Critique' board...how can a newbie possibly give a decent critique of it ? she maybe new to the site but already a very competent writer...unlike most of us. I have read some of Heslopian's poems thats only got 1 comment from billy..an yeah is a shame but how can a newbie follow that critique ? we is like the little bro hiding behind the big bro in a argument about to turn violent shouting from behind our own little digs

and what abouit when i get it completely arse over tit? it isn't about following and no one will think bad thoughts, ..i take that back, some will think bad thoughts, usually the ones who post their work and don't give feedback anywhere else. giving feedback isn't a test, it's a courtesy. it's a good deed, it say look, i'm not a leeching bastard with a super ego.

[/quote]learning poetry is a marathon not a sprint somone told me..he's been writing nearly 20 years..for meself just over a year..an i soon realised everythin i wrote is rubbish..cliche an poorly written..wont even go into the appauling grammar an spelling 95% of all members will come a go in under 12 months...just you average forum site life span, of that 5% that stay an try 4% will give up an leave in exasperation 1% will be here for a very long time...rantings ok but maybe look at how to nuture that 4% an be patient with em
[/quote] join the club cos i and many here feel the same way. remember when you took all your poems down, did you think about the time and effort people had put in trying to help, through giving feedback? did you ever think about how reading those replies could help someone else. did you contemplate the fact you also deleted all their poets? and i'm not being nasty, just pointing out that often those who say think about what or how you do things, seldom do so themselves for those who want nurturing, my bosom is always waiting when i say that, i'm being serious. many of the mods when we here are the same. i remember a discussion we had in pm. all people have to do is ask. we also have this forum, the poetry discussion forum, just look at what my rant brought out, look at who posts in it. where are all the newbs. you, cidermaid and rose love. oh and tomh....noty one of those poets who has given no feedback has posted here. and in truth if they fuck off from the site i won't spill tears. if the likes of cider or rose piss off though, because many don't give feedback; then i'll not only shed a tear but i'll be devastated and angry.

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Reciprocation is the rule on many sites - you post a poem and are required to comment on 1,2, 3 others. It seems to me to be a necessary rule, some people being what they are.
Also, reading and thinking about other people's stuff enough to be able to make some kind of intelligent comment can bring some insight to your own.
I would never bump a poem of mine. If people aren't responding then either the poem is no good or too obscure or doesn't appeal to this particular audience or else Prince Phil has put the word out again.

bump , sometimes it's needed, not because people haven't left a reply but maybe they were away for a day and a half and it goes off the page. leanne is doing school work and isn't here all the time, todd works though he said it wasn't his cup of tea which is fair comment. many aren't here for days at a time. bump it. in fact i'll see about getting a mod specially for the bump. though those who don't leave feedback won't feel a ticklish ginger near their bottoms and that's a facty

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This for me sums up why some poeple (myself included) dont comment on some great pieces, but a simple, I like this.....because, is easy and required if you want to engage with the pigs. From what I see the powers that be, do an excellent job of keeping abreast of all comers, new and old, making sure we are involved and supported I started writing poetry 6 Months ago and have recently joined PPP and for me my contract was very clear, in that I am expected to read and reply to other posts and post my own, I see this as a privelage and even though my feedback is mostly shite with limited crits, I am learning. I totally get someone who just wants to join and read poems without posting, when they dont post themselves. But if you do post and only comment on your own posts, then stop it and fullfill your contract we all deserve it.

here's the way i look at it. if you do 1 poem and 1 piece of feedback and your poem gets just 2 replies, you're winning. i've had poems get zero feedback and yes i cried, but so what, i'm a little girl . seriously it happens. your attitude is what we like. give and take.

You can only get so far up your own arse before all you see is your own shit. TOMH

and god help you if you're wearing ear rings