07-24-2012, 11:45 PM
My point isn't that we should stop eating animals, it is that we should change the way we farm animals i.e permaculture, organic farming, self-rearing, etc. to stop cruelty and also to stop damaging the environment to the extent that we do. Buying shop bought or butcher meat without checking where it comes from (is it free-range/organic/etc.) helps to support those businesses thus fund the cruelty and damage. But not everyone can afford good quality meat so it's not always a viable option for people who can't be without it.
Cows don't want to be milked, they want their calves to suckle... They have their calves taken from them (which is a very disturbing process for dairy cows, as anyone who lives near a dairy farm can tell you) and then they need to be milked because they still produce milk. It definitely isn't comparable as we create that situation. I try and buy ethical dairy products from health food shops.
Carrots are vegetables, not fruit, so they don't want to be eaten. However, an apple is a product from a tree, the fruit bears the seeds, which want to be eaten and passed through the gut. Fruit is part of the trees reproduction cycle, and evolved for the intent of being eaten. Watermelons have seeds, unless you mean the GM crop, but I would imagine all fruitarians are against GM food anyway.
Jainism is a religion in India. They believe in complete non-violence.
And actually if you look at history people were relatively peaceful before agriculture/civilization, and in many places of the world where tribes still live people still are peaceful compared to our bigger societies. Battles happened when food was scarce and people needed more territory. We became more violent as we became more civillized for a variety of reasons.
If violence was completely innate, we would not have wholly peaceful societies in existence.
http://peacefulsocieties.org/Society/Nubians.html
Cows don't want to be milked, they want their calves to suckle... They have their calves taken from them (which is a very disturbing process for dairy cows, as anyone who lives near a dairy farm can tell you) and then they need to be milked because they still produce milk. It definitely isn't comparable as we create that situation. I try and buy ethical dairy products from health food shops.
Carrots are vegetables, not fruit, so they don't want to be eaten. However, an apple is a product from a tree, the fruit bears the seeds, which want to be eaten and passed through the gut. Fruit is part of the trees reproduction cycle, and evolved for the intent of being eaten. Watermelons have seeds, unless you mean the GM crop, but I would imagine all fruitarians are against GM food anyway.
Jainism is a religion in India. They believe in complete non-violence.
And actually if you look at history people were relatively peaceful before agriculture/civilization, and in many places of the world where tribes still live people still are peaceful compared to our bigger societies. Battles happened when food was scarce and people needed more territory. We became more violent as we became more civillized for a variety of reasons.
If violence was completely innate, we would not have wholly peaceful societies in existence.
http://peacefulsocieties.org/Society/Nubians.html