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Relative Space
The universe
is not expanding.
Infinite is
everything inside steadily shrinking.
On a massive scale of relativity,
we only observe
the growing distance
together.
Spoiler: this was already critiqued by a poem during a napm month, I wanted to put it in a forum to find it faster, feel free to comment or not.
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(12-18-2022, 12:49 PM)CRNDLSM Wrote: Relative Space
The universe
is not expanding.
Infinite is
everything inside steadily shrinking.
On a massive scale of relativity,
we only observe
the growing distance if everything is shrinking, how can the distance be growing?
together.
I was with you until "growing distance" as noted. Probably some science I am unfamilar with. I happily display my ignorance so i can be corrected.
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Surfaces, two large object getting smaller, the surfaces are moving away from each other
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Hi CRN-
Physics informs me that universe is most certainly expanding. One day/year/a very long, long time from now we will lose sight of an observable universe.
That fact was a major stumbling block for me in your piece.
Likewise, infinity is almost impossible for humans to even grasp, and it ‘works’ in both directions, from the quantum level, to the furthest reaches that we can ‘see’
This is a very difficult subject to even write poetry about; nice try though.
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Expansion suggests larger over time. Is everything inside staying the same size? If you took the image of the universe and filled a paper, and then filled an adjacent paper with an image of the universe 10 billion years from now, the edge, the limit of infinity, stays the same size filling the paper, everything inside is significantly smaller. I'd say it's mostly relative.
If you shrank alone it would be obvious, if everything around you shrank at the same rate, even the scales would shrink with it, and no one would be able to tell.
As so, relationships, others relative to you, grow more distant over time, and the grinches heart shrank 5 times too small. But your right, the poem doesn't hold.
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Hi CRN- Affinity, maybe, but infinity has no limit.
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Infinity is the limit lol, also there are different sizes of infinity, some infinitys are greater than others. It was too pretentious a poetic idea, mostly my own misperceptions. I do appreciate your input though
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CRN -
Infinity is not the limit, because it has no limit.
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Make a line representing all integers 1-infinity.
Now make a line that is the addition of every number from the first line. No matter how far down the line you go, the second line will always be greater than the first. All the way down to infinity, the second infinity will be greater at the same point, so the first infinite line is limited, and the next one if you make a third line of every number multiplied together. All are infinite, but they will never be the same, and some will be greater than others. A plane stretching infinitely will be greater than a line stretching infinitely,
we may lose sight of the observable universe, we might find a greater universe, we don't know, I still like the idea of everything shrinking, I see it better, oh well
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Hello again CRN-
I still insist that infinity has no limit, and that no infinity is any bigger/smaller than any other. We can only attempt to define it within the limits of our senses.
We humans can only conceptualize that which is well beyond our grasp: infinite primes, infinite irrational numbers, infinite regress, etc, etc, to infinity. Though we have invented maths, such as calculus, to approximate values that can help us make some sense of it, infinity is too big/small for us to truly get our heads around.
The same goes for eternity, since we really can't think outside of our sense of time.
Pondering these things can drive one to distraction. Remember that time when you looked up into the night sky and wondered, 'where does it end?" Only to come to that very unsettling thought that it doesn't.
Relative to everything else, you are at the center of the universe. But don't get too big a head about it, because everybody else is, too. 
Best to just enjoy the beauty, and mystery, of it all, I think.
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Infinity will definitely mess with your head. There is some evidence that we humans couldn't always comprehend a concept such as infinity. Or zero for that matter. Don't even start with negative infinity!
In 8th grade or so my teacher posited the following conundrum: He said, "Between me and the door is a finite distance that contains an infinite number of 1/2 distances. That is, I go half way, then go half way again, and again. How can I reach an infinite number of half way points but still cross the distance in a finite time?" Well, I pondered that for 20yrs before I came to a satisfactory conclusion. Kept me off the streets at least .
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Reminds me of electricity jumping across synapses, or a lightning strike, something has to jump over that invisible half way line. To actually cross that infinitesimal decimal point. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that's 'the soul' or the will. Where there's a will... Death is a jump across a synapse in eternity.
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